From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41727: [External] : Re: bug#41727: 26.3; Doc of `define-minor-mode' and minor-mode commands Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 20:18:10 +0300 Message-ID: <83tui8poa5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <963d4189-17dc-4f4e-9993-0335fa271e50@default> <83k10kafha.fsf@gnu.org> <9d7f8447-1c0b-46db-a40c-c1ed2a398c46@default> <838sh081lt.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26595"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 41727@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 25 19:19:12 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBKR-0006hX-8m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 19:19:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54762 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBKP-00026n-Bm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBKI-00026c-T3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51265) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBKI-0002za-Ip for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:19:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBKI-0004mC-F3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41727 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41727-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41727.163259030118309 (code B ref 41727); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 17:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 17:18:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBJd-0004lF-3L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:18:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57170) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBJb-0004l2-E2 for 41727@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:18:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49028) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBJV-0002KD-OB; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4300 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUBJV-0007bI-Am; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 13:18:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:58:33 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:215481 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "41727-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <41727-done@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:58:33 +0000 > Accept-Language: en-US > > > This bug report is sprawling, and it is very hard to make heads or > > tails of what is being discussed. > > I don't think that's the case. Of course it takes > time to read and understand a bug thread. > > > In any case, Eli seems to be of the opinion that > > no further change is needed here. > > Eli was the one who said (and I agreed): > > Do we have other places where a function called > from Lisp uses the prefix arg in any similar way? > > It seems bad practice to me: non-interactive calls > shouldn't use interactive features. > > That's about the code behavior, not about the doc > string. Exactly. > But especially given that unusual (per Eli) > behavior, I think the doc string should make clear > what the behavior is (for Lisp use). No, that doesn't follow. Stefan is right: this bug should be closed.