From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52063: 28.0.60; Confusing presentation of lambda Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:59:42 +0200 Message-ID: <83tug172a9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83czmqaegb.fsf@gnu.org> <874k82vwe5.fsf@gnus.org> <831r35afde.fsf@gnu.org> <87v90hu36b.fsf@gnus.org> <83v90h8zjw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1b5u1cl.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmqp8vps.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgpt7353.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7633"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, fgunbin@fastmail.fm, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 21:01:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpySC-0001p4-F8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:01:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpySB-0006aK-5W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45142) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyR1-0005hQ-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:00:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyR0-0001If-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyR0-0007mK-7B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 15:00:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52063 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52063-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52063.163778399329860 (code B ref 52063); Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52063) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 19:59:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55056 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyQr-0007lY-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:59:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyQo-0007lJ-WD for 52063@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:59:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=45572 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyQh-0001GO-Vg; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:59:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RCqDeqI6hK/w+bJ03wnr0FqcoUIdCToF8fbIxbiDyUE=; b=fGCbKDB3XdMV LUCFaTWljmEQb1w8ZsJJCDy3I/H7sg28h603JYd/r2WFnbscpBDAC18b1Ug9YRhN7vAprQ6uOryqw VaA8nzSiEPffI6s09eQJ87KbeeGngkXqdSVWevcyypR8eT8+b1N4rhqdBTQl2srVsawvKOKuhoDHx SRN16EXHvFsawu71ZQjuz8oRl02T9DF9OxAYmJJsJi5K7TPt8ZxGcaEN9EEtQC7ZSPKJSFqqhL9yq G6E4GnF23yI/p+lwdTug9yGByAWQAXwj+9/tZW5fsdR35HCNGoUmHEFGYF7Q4MURR70GQ9ETPe5QR SzWMoUaXT2N30yjM1qH1RQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4966 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpyQh-0001t0-AS; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:59:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:04 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220770 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: fgunbin@fastmail.fm, larsi@gnus.org, 52063@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:46:04 -0500 > > >> >From where I sit, the problem is one of habit. > > There's nothing wrong with habits, and there's no reason to fight > > habits of others, even if you don't share them. > > What I'm saying is that you are annoyed by the (closure ...) thingy > mostly because you're used to seeing (lambda ...) rather than because > there's an actual problem with the (closure ...) itself. And that is strange because?... I want to see the code I wrote, not some strange transformation of it. > IOW if it had always behaved that way, you wouldn't be bothered by it. This kind of arguments lead nowhere useful. It smells of disrespect to dissenting opinions, which I'm sure you didn't intend. I'm annoyed by this misfeature. If it means nothing to you and others, so be it.