From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#56691: outline-minor-mode displays navigation arrow buttons as emojis Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 10:07:20 +0300 Message-ID: <83tu78i9xz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <15cd39ee8fe919a8656095fbfa5ae85e@purelymail.com> <83k085lhj1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7xg5ob9.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28184"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: hello@paulwrankin.com, 56691@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 23 09:08:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9FI-0007Au-AS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:08:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42784 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9FG-0006HL-Rt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:08:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9F4-0006Gj-Aq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9F4-0006aS-01 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9F3-0002SN-Nu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:08:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56691 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 56691-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56691.16585600549401 (code B ref 56691); Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 56691) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2022 07:07:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9Ec-0002RY-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:07:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9EX-0002RD-HX for 56691@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:07:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34844) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9ER-0006TQ-TE; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:07:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PFp+8DWF9OhRndD/GiY3QMEFgqGjk9o6gNVoYkX46E8=; b=PpceouDpGIs1 syRFFGBFxWx1Svv7q4/aSEOUcouuEgoS+YScwcNEHYkNkXn6CTUUdxPC71h5xvdUvKLoCa/pD1nqZ AEaWsHv2YqXsWgvt5uraQHVYbSm4FnfH6Zwuvs9pm5WKIUF2Q0soOw8DNOM0eDKeXu7otv3jOSRRT GWcbLN7QzkeUbNnynrbbF9LwIqY+5HfvV4eD2JyOVk2Gjw2YGvCtr8WdUIW/kRTOzKLw0mgRwEl/2 zEfZzlUp6CX5UcQABNHSjiYTvs7i8dyQ02NwInXEIB3mZYRkqWFH8WsTWIJx059Yongy2wgIF9KBd qXvJh+U5qn4Vw5p8goVT+w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1590 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oF9ER-00031a-7w; Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:07:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o7xg5ob9.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:35:22 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:237677 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: "Paul W. Rankin" , 56691@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:35:22 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Which I think is a bad idea to do unconditionally. At the very least, > > describe-bindings-outline's default value should NOT override > > outline-minor-mode-use-buttons, and it should have a non-default > > optional value to override it for users who want that. > > Usage of outline (and buttons) in these buffers is new in Emacs 29, so I > think the way it's currently set up makes the most sense. That is, we > certainly don't want outline-minor-mode-use-buttons to default to t, but > we do want to have buttons in this case to be on by default. Overriding a user option in this way is not something we do, or should do. The user settings should be honored. Why is it a problem not to override that option, when its default value will cause the buttons to be shown in Help buffers? Put it another way: why should we consider Help buffers under Outline Minor mode be any different from any other buffer under that mode?