From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63072: 28.2; CC Mode: Fix "bsd" style and add "freebsd" and "openbsd" ones Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 13:31:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83ttx3szmr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5023567.7IPSAfTSoR@ravel> <2624808.XrqEPMHAR6@ravel> <83354nuhtr.fsf@gnu.org> <2661733.poxlI1A5LX@ravel> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33230"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63072@debbugs.gnu.org To: Olivier Certner Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 26 12:32:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1prcRi-0008W6-H0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 12:32:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prcRR-0005lz-6O; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prcRP-0005lc-Ox for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prcRO-0001mw-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prcRO-00043Y-AP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 10:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63072 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63072-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63072.168250510415569 (code B ref 63072); Wed, 26 Apr 2023 10:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63072) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2023 10:31:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54363 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prcR5-000433-JN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prcR4-00042q-IG for 63072@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prcQz-0001kY-9K; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:31:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bhbqT5biZ4N57BgToSHFHK3c6TxbbOqp7DkcAba/Gc0=; b=SRF+HiISXg1I SVYHfIgF6ebQFbKhCAvNMAAW+6GvfaC5SWAoyWc7JEXSbriu83GQjuzDCNUDj7SDoVhVE4FA9squT 2q0yWWNn61CKrqDcC6laNvvtQ6B+qE2lJx29Nz4HE+CDTfid1DaxLF8NDTjJkoqfaW4XtIIeshOrm wFSAJoIJpYehQtDBx3tkkJO52e3xSLmYNU/xd4HaF+UjZ5d1F2Zj+J0eTS/N8lAFazmdU6JvNit2r wW5DPUCddkSQ01nTYu8OKYXHoJIj6MU2fPbSH9cC5OFmKIlauEKLyTFuNn7lMfUHAVFp6T6/TZebn qQ0EJjiywBEO99Sq3qQkIg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prcQn-0001LW-VI; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 06:31:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2661733.poxlI1A5LX@ravel> (message from Olivier Certner on Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:31:28 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260661 Archived-At: > From: Olivier Certner > Cc: 63072@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:31:28 +0200 > > > > Additionally, these changes will be exceedingly rare, and styles will just > > > be updated on a best-effort basis. > > > > The "best-effort" part is what bothers me. We introduce these new > > styles because the relevant projects change the styles, and then we > > basically tell users: don't expect these styles to actually follow > > those projects, except by luck? Does that make sense? > > By luck? The last changes in these styles with a practical consequence for CC > mode were done more than 20 years ago. Had the changes proposed here been done > at that time, users would have been able to use the right style since then. > > Truth is, users not having the right style would be extremely unlucky, given > the rate of changes (practically zero). These styles are *intended* to follow > these projects' practice. And they will so more than 99% of the time. Of > course, if a style changes and requires a CC style modification, then someone > will have to submit it and in the meantime users will have to live with the > discrepancy. Is that what really bothers you? That's what best effort means. > Again, this will be useful to the relevant users more than 99% of the time. If the styles don't change in practice, then I'm okay with adding them. But then I wonder why you bothered to mention the fact that they do change.