From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9653: 24.0.50; `ucs-names' - Why all of the ("" . XXX) entries? Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:02:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83sjn6gfr6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <74B14D2A03144E798C9415172D5FE01A@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317924302 8692 80.91.229.12 (6 Oct 2011 18:05:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9653@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 06 20:04:58 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJV-0003T5-B0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:04:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59794 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJU-00042r-HC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54338) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJS-00042l-8C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJQ-00006V-Cw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:54 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58486) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJQ-00006R-BM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJZ-0007fq-Qm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:05:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9653 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9653-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9653.131792427129457 (code B ref 9653); Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:05:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9653) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2011 18:04:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJ5-0007f3-HL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RBsJ3-0007er-VA for 9653@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSN00500OQUMR00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 9653@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:02:35 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSN00H1VOS9NZ80@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:02:34 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:05:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52303 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Kenichi Handa , 9653@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:40:13 -0400 > > >> I'm not sure because there are multiple use-cases of > >> get-char-code-property, and nil is better only in some of them. > >> But, it's just "I'm not sure". If you are sure, as I wrote above, > >> I'll change it back. > > I'm sure. > > > what-cursor-position etc., where we will now need to display an empty > > string when we get nil. > > Big deal: that's just an (or ... ""). > > And in any case no matter what the standard says, I'm pretty sure end > users would prefer to be told explicitly that a char doesn't have a name > rather than to see an empty field and wonder what that means. I asked for some reasoning, but you didn't provide any. Fine. But should we now change the `iso-10646-comment' property to be nil when it doesn't exist? Currently, any string attribute is returned as "" if the attribute is not defined in the Unicode database.