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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
Cc: 9794@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#9794: 24.0.90; `format-time-string' no good for %Z
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:26:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sjmpt32i.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fwipgltl.fsf@gnu.org>

> From: Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
> Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,  9794@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:20:06 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > No, it's because a _Windows_ developer found out that the Windows
> > time-zone names violate international standards for what %Z should
> > produce, which breaks other Emacs features that use the results.
> 
> The international standards alone aren't a problem - GNU software in
> general does not follow standards slavishly. The real problem is that
> for many uses of time format strings (which correctly check for an empty
> %Z string and use %z as a backup), in mail, news, HTTP headers, XML
> documents and similar uses which rely on the strings being standards
> compliant, the non-compliant long forms returned by Windows tzname()
> cause real problems which are much more severe than the inconveniences
> that this change has caused.

Isn't that what I said: that _using_ the non-standard results of %Z
caused trouble to other Emacs features?

> One proposal in that thread was to introduce a new format specifier to
> print the long names (on non-Windows platforms it could output the
> commonly used "Continent/City" format). Another proposal was that %EZ
> could be used, which is especially fitting, for the Windows timezone
> names, which are apparently locale sensitive (which was one of the
> reported problems that led to them being removed in the first place).

Are there any problems to produce localized (i.e. non-ASCII) timezone
names in strftime?  Don't Posix systems do that in some locales?





  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-19 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-19  6:44 bug#9794: 24.0.90; `format-time-string' no good for %Z Drew Adams
2011-10-19  7:43 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-19  8:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-19 13:20     ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-19 14:28       ` Drew Adams
2011-10-19 15:26       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-10-19 16:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20  7:48         ` Paul Eggert
2011-10-20  9:24           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20  9:46             ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-20 10:05               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20 10:10                 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-20 10:49                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20 11:22                     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-20 12:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20 13:06                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-20 13:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-20 15:23                         ` Paul Eggert
2011-10-20 16:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-21 15:40             ` Jason Rumney
2011-10-21 17:34               ` Paul Eggert
2011-10-22  9:21               ` bug#641: " Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-19 14:29     ` Drew Adams
2011-10-19 15:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-19  7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-19 14:28   ` Drew Adams

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