From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:13:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83sj2lz6nm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <071A708E-3A98-4D11-A15F-7AB92D5200DD@swipnet.se> <51727563.70905@gmx.at> <5172908F.7090206@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366463671 17070 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2013 13:14:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jan =?UTF-8?Q?Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 20 15:14:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXcd-0006hs-6r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 15:14:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39109 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXcc-000641-Mp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47772) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXcW-00062e-6W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXcV-0007yG-1b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:14:24 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:57419) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXcU-0007y8-Tv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:14:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXgz-0001qc-Ua for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.13664639327079 (code B ref 14233); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 13:19:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2013 13:18:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXgp-0001q8-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:18:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:45278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXgn-0001pv-IA for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:18:50 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MLK005001WJ6000@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:14:01 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MLK0047023BV8A0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:14:00 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <5172908F.7090206@swipnet.se> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73516 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 14:56:47 +0200 > From: Jan Dj=E4rv > CC: Eli Zaretskii , esabof@gmail.com,=20 > 14233@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > I don't understand why we want to resize in pixels instead of > characters. See the beginning of this bug report, and the TODO item. In a nutshell, we resize in units of canonical character size that mean nothing to the windowing system and the rest of the machine. Th= e downside of that is that some specifications of the dimensions produc= e surprising results, and for no good reason. > But if you insist on resizing with pixels instead of characters, yo= u have turn=20 > WM hints off for NS and X. Could you describe in short the role of those hints for Emacs display= ? I don't believe we have this documented anywhere. > You should thoroughly test this change on X with a couple of > different window manager before checking it in. Resizing is a bit > of a mess on X because the intreactions with the window manager, an= d > the strange ways Emacs deals with GUI elements. Those "strange ways" are partly explained by the restrictions Martin is trying to lift, AFAIK. > But I'd prefer if the text part is resizable only in terms of lines= /columns.=20 Why? Is there any other reason beyond WM hints? > An exception to this is tiling window managers and fullscreen behav= iour. If we cannot resize in pixels, we cannot make those exceptions, can we?