From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20968: 25.0.50; Be able to specify the output directory for `byte-compile-file' Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:24:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83si94xrcn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <23829743-922e-4304-8ab3-b762b8193860@default> <74y4iytdjg.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83pp49zb03.fsf@gnu.org> <83egkpyvvd.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435998322 21217 80.91.229.3 (4 Jul 2015 08:25:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20968@debbugs.gnu.org To: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 04 10:25:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIl5-0000b8-Gx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:25:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIl4-0006M3-Co for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:25:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46789) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIl0-0006Js-OY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:25:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIkx-0007nE-EF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:25:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIkx-0007mR-AS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIkw-0001kX-Uy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:25:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20968 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20968-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20968.14359982776677 (code B ref 20968); Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:25:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20968) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2015 08:24:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIkW-0001jc-9E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:49439) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBIkS-0001jH-IM for 20968@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 04:24:34 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQY00D00F7PHN00@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 20968@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:27:16 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQY0052OFHGX480@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:27:16 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104667 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:48:13 +0100 > From: Artur Malabarba > Cc: 20968@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier > > > Those sites make our job harder. > > In what way? Instead of having the discussions in a small number of well-defined forums, that are reliably read by Emacs developers, and are archived and indexed by the GNU servers, we have some of them going on "elsewhere". This produces annoying complications, including, but not limited to: . There are more places to search when you are after some specific issue. . Issues that reveal Emacs bugs are many times not reported to the bug tracker, and remain unknown to us for many moons, sometimes years. . If and when people eventually do submit bug reports, they cannot be bothered to report all the details, and just provide a link to those "elsewhere" discussions, so whoever wants to fix the problem needs to read through them, which is not easy (the messages aren't sorted by date, etc.). This becomes worse as time goes by. I had my share of fixing bugs caused by changes made years ago. When that happens, you want to be able to establish (a) why was the change made, and (b) what was the use case or test case that served as the reason for the changes. That's because whatever change you are going to install, you will want to make sure it doesn't reintroduce back the original problem, so you will want a good understanding of that past issue, and a test case. Having to search 3 Emacs lists is already bad enough, having to search in addition 2 stack-foo forums, which are not archived by dates (at least I know of now way to search them given the date of the change in Emacs) makes that unbearable, so I usually give up. What's more, I don't understand why people use those places. The Emacs forums are quite friendly, so there should be no reason for them to avoid us.