From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21746: 24.5; purpose of dired-keep-marker-copy? Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:40:53 +0200 Message-ID: <83si4ydc5m.fsf@gnu.org> References: <36360.86247.586145.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <69182d70-1f68-4105-9f24-7bbef43e7ecb@default> <40607.80402.459249.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <987d58d9-30d3-4067-a0ae-7a7722a3f2fb@default> <56535.83174.772198.22058@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <32c7e678-352f-4e5d-86cf-768a9c482386@default> <61261.98098.661987.22059@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <33f6a584-df3d-48e1-9db1-52d6aa11e5b8@default> <21512.40131.587409.22060@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445798489 19146 80.91.229.3 (25 Oct 2015 18:41:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@linux-m68k.org, 21746@debbugs.gnu.org To: Roland Winkler Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 25 19:41:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQEE-0006K5-9w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:41:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49109 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQED-0003m4-Na for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:41:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43003) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQE9-0003ln-Hq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQE4-00041f-Dj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:41:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQE4-00041b-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQE3-0001WD-Sn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:41:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:41:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21746 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21746-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21746.14457984535805 (code B ref 21746); Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:41:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21746) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Oct 2015 18:40:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQDs-0001VZ-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:40:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:47681) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZqQDq-0001VQ-S3 for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWS00700H04NQ00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 21746@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:40:44 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWS0078GH7UL570@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:40:44 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <21512.40131.587409.22060@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:108021 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:01:12 -0500 > From: "Roland Winkler" > Cc: Andreas Schwab , 21746@debbugs.gnu.org > > > How else could Dired distinguish the copied files? > > It shouldn't. Marks are for new actions in the future, not for old > ones from the past. > > If you nonetheless like inconsistent behavior, don't make it the > default. We are arguing here about the default value of a defcustom. Moreover, this value was introduced 23 years ago, never changed since then, and I don't remember any complaints about that default (but if you find any, please point to them). So it doesn't sound wise to me to change that default based on the fact that you, Roland, dislike it. You can always customize this variable (and other similar dired-keep-marker-* options) to you heart's content, right? OTOH, changing this long-standing default would be an incompatible change, something that we only do when the community as a whole requests. Which is not the case here, I think. Thus, I think we should document this subtlety, both in the doc strings of the corresponding dired-do-* commands and in the user manual, and otherwise leave the existing default alone. Patches for the documentation are welcome.