From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20484: EMACS=t Joy and Happiness Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 09:16:16 +0300 Message-ID: <83sh6g9s5r.fsf__32883.6818262518$1527228968$gmane$org@gnu.org> References: <87tvqw4w8s.fsf@russet.org.uk> <6443412a-5803-d9c0-1ef3-ece7f49c43e1@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527228968 13541 195.159.176.226 (25 May 2018 06:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 06:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, 20484@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 25 08:16:03 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61D-0003QK-Nn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 08:16:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM63K-0003dY-T0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:18:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48523) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM62E-00037J-KV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM62B-0002Ni-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:17:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39373) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM62B-0002Nc-1u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:17:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM62A-0005Nd-SF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 06:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20484 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20484-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20484.152722897520604 (code B ref 20484); Fri, 25 May 2018 06:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20484) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2018 06:16:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47266 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61P-0005MG-86 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57361) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61O-0005M4-0U for 20484@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61F-0001wV-0S for 20484@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61E-0001wN-ST; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:16:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1217 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fM61E-0005ZT-8H; Fri, 25 May 2018 02:16:04 -0400 In-reply-to: <6443412a-5803-d9c0-1ef3-ece7f49c43e1@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Thu, 24 May 2018 15:03:56 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146529 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 15:03:56 -0700 > Cc: 20202@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , > 20484@debbugs.gnu.org > > Bash 4.4 came out only in September 2016, and it's too soon to assume > it. I agree, 1.5 years is too soon. I think we need 5 years at least. > How about this idea: At Emacs build time, we check whether Bash is 4.4 > or later, and if so we use a term.el that assumes bash 4.4 or later. > Otherwise, we use a term.el that interrogates the shell dynamically for > whether it is shell and if so what its version number is, the first time > that Emacs runs a process under a shell. The first part will only work if Emacs is used on the same system where it is built, right? Is that a good assumption, given all the binary distributions?