From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39359: [patch] TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired. Four other trivial TUTORIAL patches Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:29:09 +0200 Message-ID: <83sgjwkm8q.fsf@gnu.org> References: <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="76701"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39359@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Jorge" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 31 10:30:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ixSd1-000JuI-9a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:30:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50500 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ixSd0-0001Cy-BH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:30:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36537) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScm-0001Bq-Ic for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:30:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixSck-0002cX-J9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:30:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:58834) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixSck-0002cM-EW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:30:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixSck-0001Ls-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:30:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39359 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 39359-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39359.15804629785134 (code B ref 39359); Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39359) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jan 2020 09:29:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScM-0001Kk-3U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScJ-0001KX-RV for 39359@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScE-0007zs-KT; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3937 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ixScD-0000ka-Ju; Fri, 31 Jan 2020 04:29:30 -0500 In-reply-to: <79a6fd311edba2ddfbd36da083be2bd5@disroot.org> (jorge+list@disroot.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:175475 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:41:48 +0000 > From: "Jorge" > > Hello. This trivial patch is my first patch submitted to a free > software project (not counting wiki edits), so please do not hesitate to > correct any mistakes (including the potential mistake of being too > nitpicky). Now the commit message, followed by the patch: > > TUTORIAL: Be accurate about "buffer" vs "file"; capitalize Dired > > - Disambiguate "buffer" vs "file" after the section that explains > buffers. Thanks. Personally, my gut feeling is that we shouldn't introduce this complexity in the tutorial. Users coming from other editors are used to saying "save the file" (and the evidence is the File->Save menu item present in many applications, including Emacs). So "save file" is natural, whereas "save buffer into the file it visits" is less so, and for newbies any complication at this stage is an obstacle. It is no accident that buffers are described in the tutorial only after files. (This is yet another reason why introducing buffers before they are described in the tutorial might be a step in the wrong direction.) Bottom line: I think in this case accuracy is less important than providing an introduction to Emacs usage that is as free from complexities as practically possible.