From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45198: 28.0.50; Sandbox mode Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:19:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83sg3ovq84.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5818DFAA-3A9C-4335-BAAF-1227A02C290A@acm.org> <19511709-E42B-4ABD-9823-39EA08A79B1F@gmail.com> <83v98kvr7y.fsf@gnu.org> <9A5BCDF3-6543-46C0-AB56-2311392FC549@gmail.com> <83tuo4vqet.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26435"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: alan@idiocy.org, mattiase@acm.org, 45198@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: p.stephani2@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 17 18:21:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lXngy-0006me-KY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:21:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37982 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXngx-0003p8-O5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54044) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfx-0003ad-74 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfu-0004hC-Iq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfu-0004LO-Eo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45198 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 45198-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45198.161867637216654 (code B ref 45198); Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45198) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2021 16:19:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfQ-0004KX-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:19:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfP-0004KL-1Y for 45198@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:19:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36001) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfH-0004V9-KR; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:19:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3190 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lXnfB-0004ST-14; Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:19:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83tuo4vqet.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:15:06 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204224 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 19:15:06 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: alan@idiocy.org, mattiase@acm.org, 45198@debbugs.gnu.org, > stefankangas@gmail.com, joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > What I'm missing is some details about what operations (in Emacs > terms) should not be allowed in the sandbox, and how can users take > advantage of that. I asked more questions about this a few days ago, > but got no responses. I don't really understand how we can > intelligently talk about using this in Emacs while we remain on the > level of file descriptors and syscalls. Btw, please don't interpret the above as pressure to get these issues discussed and figured out. There's no pressure; all I'm saying is that if this is preliminary code for which we don't yet have a clear common idea about its practical usage, it should be on a branch.