From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51605: Fwd: [PATCH] Update themes to support mode-line Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 15:19:07 +0200 Message-ID: <83sfv3w7xw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k0gi3nj4.fsf@gnu.org> <837dch3o4v.fsf@gnu.org> <83tufl260x.fsf@gnu.org> <86czm9699t.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6hczevm.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26492"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 51605@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 14:21:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1muwsc-0006V4-8K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:21:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42700 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muwsb-0002vQ-1b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:21:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45080) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muwrb-0002Iz-Tb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:20:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:56447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muwrb-00042E-M6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muwra-0005CE-I5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 13:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51605 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 51605-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51605.163896957719930 (code B ref 51605); Wed, 08 Dec 2021 13:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51605) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2021 13:19:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39758 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muwrA-0005BO-Vg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:19:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44138) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muwr7-0005B5-4L for 51605@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:19:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=57292 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muwr1-0003xA-Ao; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:19:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wPkFGLwzzVcGgOjtpIfFcul2f+3PuHbKBfhO7ghEB2E=; b=FxSt9HmKJzr9 XbkA98MYZhxkvKYRxyGfGCsi675PKZVNMjWLsutOdBg408EAoAegcMeU+G8652vm+X6TyHYdrTvHf PbmxWTeYx0VRBTexxlU7zJ1k0UlOgmWQp40LP9gKp4jPusBt0vmVQ1rZwPhOkDD3D3bVUXfwrNWgN 92+qRtwIswBJ7TNLiSkIYfhCEvhCNk48jL4VY1DzUPVg/mOQC1qYXEIRiZA1RNmhKo3cuxt1sAzxb CzXD3cNNahchDAQEkEUm3zAdmQcxVPWjAC1jIXZRkn1Va6M+DwWfJfnXGxnIGowFxJqMner0MxjBi 8qlv3DCt4BwBrCSL9f5oRQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2199 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1muwr0-0002cB-G1; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 08:19:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez on Wed, 8 Dec 2021 07:45:57 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:221926 Archived-At: > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 07:45:57 +0100 > Cc: Juri Linkov , Stefan Kangas , 51605@debbugs.gnu.org > > point taken... if it isn't the fringe, then something else. I find it more problematic to have the same face for the > buffer and line numbers. > And it's from the conceptual point of view that line numbers aren't buffer and therefore should have a different > face by default. > > OK, I use a couple of themes that happen to have a shadowy background for the fringe, but I could live with > anything that makes this _conceptual_ difference visible. I don't think I agree with this concept. For example, the stuff usually written into the display margins is also separate from the buffer text, but we still use the same 'default' face there. > (Just my .2c worth of experience; when I edit/correct Python exercises from my students, this visual > difference helps me detecting indentation errors much quicker; my student's experience: different line number > and buffer faces help them editing and therefore adopting Emacs as their editor of choice for Python and from > there they explore org-mode for their short papers and presentations and they become regular users in no > time ;-) ) No one argues that some situations and some personal preferences call for a distinct face for the line numbers. That's why we use a special face there, not the default face. That's not what the argument is about. It is about changing the defaults, and that must have reasons much more serious than just anecdotal evidence about this or that use case.