From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64272: 28.1; lisp_file_lexically_bound_p behavior mismatches file local variables Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:23:23 +0300 Message-ID: <83sfaew8lw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83zg4oy9ow.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmzsxedw.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt0ny47z.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6qvxv8q.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5wmxyqn.fsf@gnu.org> <30832e8647ddb7b160e5@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29955"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 64272@debbugs.gnu.org, andpuke@foxmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 26 17:24:11 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qDo4Z-0007Xw-Ed for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qDo3V-0008HI-8F; Mon, 26 Jun 2023 11:23:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <30832e8647ddb7b160e5@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:18:34 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:264107 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:18:34 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: LdBeth , 64272@debbugs.gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > > I'm sorry to bust this particular wedding, but here we see once again > > what became a frequent pattern in Emacs: a tiny problem, perhaps > > affecting one or a few users who happen to bump into it the first time > > they try something, which then causes quite serious changes to low-level > > infrastructure in Emacs that has been working flawlessly for years, and > > by doing that destabilize Emacs for no good reason. IOW, a tail that > > wags the dog. > > > > Happens time and again in Emacs, and we all fail to pay attention. > > > > [...] > > > > That said, I know I will be downvoted, and so will not object any > > changes in this wrong direction. Let the resultant breakage speak for > > itself. > > > > Not that my opinion counts, but FWIW, I agree with the above, and I upvote > this. Thank you! (And your opinion does count, at least here.)