From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64759: Broken faces Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:39:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83sf9h9q2i.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@gnu.org> <86bkg53cau.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a5vp1qmu.fsf@gnu.org> <86r0p11bj7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40743"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 64759@debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@gmail.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 18:40:15 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMtAs-000API-IF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 18:40:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMtAh-0006UX-J3; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMtAg-0006U9-2p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMtAf-0005Pr-RG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:40:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMtAf-00079W-Ni for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64759 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64759-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64759.168995754927411 (code B ref 64759); Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 16:39:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMt9o-000783-SO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:39:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60096) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMt9n-00077p-AD for 64759@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:39:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMt9c-0005JQ-Tl; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:39:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2QlGk48a8MlvBjCRLQ40aBAl6KoJbGLsf3eJ56WlX0o=; b=WqZU05MBvKJp KJdNY+5CEM/Cd/UAVUuKBmvBiUb+YgqTiv67cmnQ0QsmwmW4dKLimnOJ1nTPZslsGc5xPsuRT/nXX smTwgcTRfXdSEy/qg7Q1je1/ve63TmnjXONip4lLh9R03g7eo3ZFR4Ro6W2p8sC/O0RqIJPBQLvI5 kKbKgpKbob3bj3KXBZBdCvtKFC02t4vD3CotfROtvmp2QKdID9pcVnHjX+pFjRaJQ10vpb9WFaMks cknivEQMyavlOf30Ruj4gZ7eVMa7MggC426cfEuxFVB0OnRCpKMM7fWu1xHkvIxAbquaE9hiaBtkn up5VrqxqRUqppJ0Npi0kQw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMt9c-0006CS-DN; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 12:38:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86r0p11bj7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:20:44 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265745 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: 64759@debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@gmail.com > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:20:44 +0300 > > >> It seems adding non-empty definitions in bug#64655 > >> were intended to workaround a bug in cus-edit.el, > >> not to fix it. > > > > I don't think it's a bug. Why is it a bug to tell the user that the > > face has no information to show as the current definition? > > How this is different from a variable that has a nil value? > The Customization UI can handle it. It can and it does. Emacs doesn't signal an error and doesn't crash. So there's no problem, just unexpected info. > > Moreover, what does it mean to have nil there in defface? The > > meaning of nil is not documented anywhere that I could see, so what > > did the authors of such code expect it to produce? > > Why not nil? Every variable supports a nil value. Why can't faces > do the same? I don't know, but the documentation says nothing about the semantics of that.