From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3503: 23.0.94; Emacs manual, main menu typo Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:21:26 +0300 Message-ID: <83r55wpwbt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <030786C2DA634A43AD018D873E867F59@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310404874 25921 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2011 17:21:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3503@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 11 19:21:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgKAP-0004yY-5E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:21:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55779 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgKAN-0004q5-Fp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:21:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51993) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK9Q-0004dm-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:20:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK9N-0005wo-Jm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:20:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK9M-0005w0-VA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK9M-0006aL-6e; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:20:04 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:20:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 3503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed Original-Received: via spool by 3503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B3503.131040478425279 (code B ref 3503); Mon, 11 Jul 2011 17:20:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jul 2011 17:19:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK91-0006Zg-DX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:19:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QgK8x-0006ZI-Df for 3503@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:19:41 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LO600400IPBTL00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 3503@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:19:29 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.156.102]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LO6003XXISB7IR0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:19:24 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <030786C2DA634A43AD018D873E867F59@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:20:04 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:48623 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <3503@debbugs.gnu.org>, "'Eli Zaretskii'" > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:04:41 -0700 >=20 > Lars> I think this looks OK the way it is. > Lars> It's introducing a concept that most newbies won't > Lars> be familiar with. >=20 > There is never any purpose in using double single quotes this way i= n the manual, > AFAICT. =20 >=20 > Maybe Eli will correct me. If Eli checks this and he agrees with y= ou, then I'm > OK with it. Otherwise, I maintain that it is not helpful to use ``= ...'' in the > manual. Drew is right, the Info output should not use ``..'' quoting here. Let me explain. Normally, when the Info output is produced from Texinfo sources, `makeinfo' converts ``...'' into "...", while in the printed output, = TeX converts that into =E2=80=9C...=E2=80=9D. This is why one normally s= hould use ``...'' in Texinfo, not "...". But in menus, which are only visible in the Info output, this conversion is evidently not done, so ``...'' stays unchanged, which is not what we want. You will see further down the main menu that "..." is used correctly. Bottom line: the ``region'' thing (and ``edit'') should be changed to use "..." quoting.