From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9219: 24.0.50; bidi switches to R-to-L when I don't want it to Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:26:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83r551nfke.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r555vtmr.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <83ipqhaqnt.fsf@gnu.org> <87ei14vr61.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <83fwlkc2en.fsf@gnu.org> <87oc08sutd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <838vrcbjwb.fsf@gnu.org> <87wreu2uuf.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <831ux2p9nf.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4au2pbp.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <83y5z9op5f.fsf@gnu.org> <87fwlhuhfu.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312486175 15539 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2011 19:29:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9219-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Florian Beck Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 04 21:29:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3bj-00024Y-7T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:29:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41012 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3bi-00044Q-QO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3bg-000447-1H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3be-0006DG-V2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:24 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3be-0006D2-Og for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3cJ-0005q7-0s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:30:03 -0400 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: cc-closed 9219 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Mail-Followup-To: 9219@debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by 9219-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D9219.131248618022392 (code D ref 9219); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9219-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2011 19:29:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3bw-0005p6-8h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qp3bt-0005ox-MK for 9219-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:29:39 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LPF004004M27900@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 9219-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:28:41 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.94.185]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LPF003B14RSZ6D0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:28:41 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87fwlhuhfu.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:30:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:49907 Archived-At: > From: Florian Beck > Cc: Florian Beck , 9219@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:04:21 +0200 >=20 > > So I think you only _think_ you have the LRM character between th= e > > aleph and the following a, because the bar cursor makes a small > > movement when you move from aleph to the a, but is shown between = aleph > > and a in both positions. >=20 > Yet moves the point from 2 to 3. Ah, I get it: the cursor m= oves > from the right of the alef to the left of the a. Obvious, when you = think > about it=E2=80=A6 So this mystery is gone. > >> (but the cursor movement in rtl paragraphs confuses me, too). > > > > It takes some time to get used to. The manual says something vag= ue > > about it, like "don't be afraid, it's not a bug" or something. >=20 > >From the manual and the docstrings I had the impression that , > , and would move visually. Well, it actually is not easy to say something more accurate, see the thread that started here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2011-06/msg00005.html > Also, moves to the left (inside the ltr text inside the rtl > paragraph). Yes, that's how they are meant to move. I'm closing this bug report.