From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 22:43:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83r45c98yb.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396640668 25152 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2014 19:44:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 04 21:44:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA2C-0003NX-Or for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 21:44:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51947 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA2C-0002GO-DX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:44:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44607) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA24-0002Fz-3O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:44:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA1y-0004gu-7b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA1y-0004gq-48 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA1x-0002rn-Ie for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:44:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16617 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16617-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16617.139664060610953 (code B ref 16617); Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16617) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2014 19:43:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35683 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA1O-0002qb-3V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:44881) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WWA1M-0002qS-9q for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:43:25 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N3I00B00U5BEO00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 22:43:23 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N3I00BRZUSAGR00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 22:43:22 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87756 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:25:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Not sure I agree about '?', but in any case this is NOT the main part > > of Drew's complaints. He says that help text should not be shown at > > all, ever. > > No, I did NOT say that at all. You seem to have trouble reading the > bug report. I said that THIS bug is ONLY that the help text is shown > for `?' in contexts where `?' is not a help character. Ts-ts-ts, and I was having such a good day until now... Oh, well... Drew in his original report: > 3. This *Char Help* buffer should not be popped up at all - for ANY char > that you type after `C-q'. This is a misfeature. (Of course now you will claim that F1 is not a character.) > > _That_ is certainly not a regression, as Emacs have > > behaved like that since about forever. > > I also doubt that that is true. Certainly in Emacs 20 `C-q ?' > inserts `?' when `?' is not a help char. IOW, THIS regression is > not present in Emacs 20. Try with F1. > And `grep' does not find "Char Help" anywhere in the Emacs 20 lisp > or C files. It was just *Help* back then.