From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>
Cc: 22392@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22392: Emacs OS X GUI doesn't set locale
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:46:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83r3grszy5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1454693293.840659.513114466.45E68AA0@webmail.messagingengine.com> (message from Random832 on Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:28:13 -0500)
> From: Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>
> Cc: 22392@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:28:13 -0500
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2016, at 04:21, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > You can set LANG in the program's environment even if you don't launch
> > subprocesses, just to have the relevant libc routines adjust their
> > defaults. In fact, that's why Emacs does that in the first place.
> >
> > I'm asking why don't the programs you allude to do that already. If
> > they do, then setting LANG in Emacs, and passing that to those
> > programs as result, might interfere with what those programs already
> > do.
>
> Because they don't need it. Because they don't use LANG at all,
> internally or otherwise. Because they use Core Foundation instead of
> libc for localization. (Though, for applications we do not have the
> source code for, I don't know how we can say for sure that they don't
> set LANG - the only way to find out if a process has set an environment
> variable is to examine its subprocesses with ps -E.)
>
> If mac gui applications used LANG, then the GUI *would* set them when
> launching applications, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
>
> Emacs is in a fundamentally different category from most gui
> applications (and in the same category as terminal emulators) because it
> launches BSD-subsystem programs which use libc functions for
> localization. It's therefore arguably responsible for providing
> appropriate environment locale values for those BSD-subsystem programs.
> Most applications *don't* launch BSD-subsystem programs as subprocesses.
> Emacs (and e.g. other text editors, such as Vim, which also sets LANG in
> os_mac_conv.c:mac_lang_init) and terminal emulators are exceptions to
> this.
>
> Half of the *point* of this is to make sure subprocesses (like ispell,
> or sort, or a shell in m-x terminal, etc) get the proper locale.
I see your point, but I think it's largely based on speculations.
Mine is as well, so I see no reason to continue arguing about this. I
already said that I don't object to making these changes.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-05 19:46 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <m27fix2thu.fsf@galloway.idiocy.org>
2016-01-26 7:11 ` bug#22392: Emacs OS X GUI doesn't set locale Anders Lindgren
[not found] ` <CABr8ebazqBT5tVtRc_bDj0x72gR52T=zAmmamyhkTB8e4pz6rg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-26 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <83twm01ju1.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-01-26 15:06 ` Anders Lindgren
[not found] ` <CABr8ebbTc1no_vra4m2Q6sbC=VqaZ4Xn8OGnQu78Z=uquKpGRA@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-26 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <83lh7c1igo.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-01-26 16:58 ` Anders Lindgren
2016-01-26 23:05 ` Alan Third
[not found] ` <m2bn880wna.fsf@galloway.idiocy.org>
2016-01-27 18:06 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-17 14:27 ` bug#22392: 25.0.50; NS Emacs run from " Alan Third
2016-01-17 22:38 ` Random832
2016-01-18 21:12 ` Alan Third
2016-01-18 22:09 ` Random832
2016-01-18 23:11 ` Alan Third
2016-01-19 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-19 16:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-01-30 6:13 ` bug#22392: Emacs " Random832
2016-02-05 7:12 ` Random832
2016-02-05 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 7:36 ` Random832
2016-02-05 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-05 17:28 ` Random832
2016-02-05 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
[not found] ` <56A90735.7090508@cs.ucla.edu>
2016-01-27 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <83fuxizu1d.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-01-27 22:27 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-28 22:53 ` Alan Third
[not found] ` <m260ydxqmp.fsf@galloway.idiocy.org>
2016-02-01 5:03 ` Anders Lindgren
[not found] ` <CABr8ebZ21MwYwDTeHogk4Afg7m73LGiiiVWNz2y=tJ0SSSsysQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-02-01 17:48 ` Alan Third
2016-02-01 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 23:57 ` Alan Third
2016-02-11 2:37 ` Paul Eggert
2016-01-26 22:50 ` Alan Third
[not found] ` <m2fuxk0xbz.fsf@galloway.idiocy.org>
2016-01-27 6:21 ` Anders Lindgren
[not found] ` <CABr8ebb55SEwE2MOnKdSYm=xO6VReRU8g_dr0vN4CGMVwVYrvg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-27 15:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
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