From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20640: 24.5; lexical-binding should work like a normal file-local variable Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:25:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83r38q9r25.fsf@gnu.org> References: <55638701.9010400@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1473622041 4504 195.159.176.226 (11 Sep 2016 19:27:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 20640@debbugs.gnu.org To: Philipp Stephani Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 11 21:27:16 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAPL-0000SB-BJ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 21:27:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38821 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAPJ-0000U5-AB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:27:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAPC-0000Tm-4E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAP7-00019L-U5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:27:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAP7-00019H-Qb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAP7-00004v-Lv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:27:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20640 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 20640-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20640.147362196432699 (code B ref 20640); Sun, 11 Sep 2016 19:27:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20640) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2016 19:26:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAOC-0008VK-DO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:26:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAOA-0008Ur-Rj for 20640@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:26:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAO2-0000tT-Ia for 20640@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51835) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAO2-0000tP-FF; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:25:54 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1380 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bjAO1-00028E-Hm; Sun, 11 Sep 2016 15:25:54 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:04:13 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123194 Archived-At: > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 18:04:13 +0000 > Cc: 20640@debbugs.gnu.org > > Stefan Monnier schrieb am Mo., 22. Juni 2015 um 17:57 Uhr: > > > I don't think this is a misdesign. In most cases files are either seekable > > or small enough so that reading the variables from the end is tolerable. I > > prefer the end of files for local variables because they tend to be less > > important than the actual content. > > I'm not talking about file-local variables in general. I'm talking > about the "coding:" pseudo-variable. > > No matter how we choose to call it: My argument stands, reading such pseudo-variables from the end of the > file is desirable, useful, and has negligible disadvantages. Or do we have evidence that users routinely read > very large (gigabyte-sized) Elisp files from non-seekable sources? Guys, is this really such a big deal to justify changes in an area which was not touched in eons? Just let the sleeping dogs lie.