From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24515: bug#24514: 24.5; [WIP][PATCH] Lispy backtraces Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:06:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83r38bc4lb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20160922231447.GA3833@odonien.localdomain> <98fbb582-3da4-bd83-a2e9-e341dd7f6140@gmail.com> <83shsrc5mi.fsf@gnu.org> <20160923095541.GC644@odonien.localdomain> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1474625245 581 195.159.176.226 (23 Sep 2016 10:07:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:07:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 24515@debbugs.gnu.org, clement.pit@gmail.com To: Vasilij Schneidermann Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 23 12:07:21 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNO2-0007uC-Po for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 12:07:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43640 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNO1-0005za-47 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:07:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43070) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNs-0005xi-Vr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:07:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNm-0007ws-Ug for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:07:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:55123) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNm-0007wn-Qx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNm-0000am-Mw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:07:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24515 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24515-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24515.14746252042229 (code B ref 24515); Fri, 23 Sep 2016 10:07:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24515) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Sep 2016 10:06:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33076 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNU-0000Zs-Cs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51972) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNS-0000Zd-2A for 24515@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNM-0007oF-28 for 24515@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44975) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNF-0007lx-Es; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:29 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3392 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bnNNE-0003ZZ-Jj; Fri, 23 Sep 2016 06:06:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <20160923095541.GC644@odonien.localdomain> (message from Vasilij Schneidermann on Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:55:41 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:123593 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2016 11:55:41 +0200 > From: Vasilij Schneidermann > Cc: Clément Pit--Claudel > > > How about if we install this with a user option, off by default, that > > switches to the new format when turned on? > > This sounds sensible, but I'm not sure whether it's worth complicating > the patch by adding checks for this new user option in `eval.c`, > `debug.el` and `edebug.el`. It's a complication, sure. But it doesn't sound too complicated, and given the fears of breaking someone's code, I think it's justified. > > Then we could collect user experience for some time, and make this the > > default if everyone likes it. > > How do you plan on informing and surveying users? Would a discussion on > emacs-devel be the way to do this or do you have something different in > mind? I thought just watching the discussions and the bug tracker would be enough. Then, a couple of releases from now, we could ask whether making it the default would be okay, and see how people react.