From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25154: 25.1; Bindings in cl-letf are in reverse order Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:09:45 +0200 Message-ID: <83r35fg9jq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8737hwllow.fsf@gmail.com> <83zik4fdug.fsf@gnu.org> <8760msmdq1.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481379019 29442 195.159.176.226 (10 Dec 2016 14:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 25154@debbugs.gnu.org, agrambot@gmail.com, tino.calancha@gmail.com To: Philipp Stephani Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 10 15:10:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLs-00061V-DF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 15:10:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51900 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLu-00035t-Nn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48405) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLm-00033I-8G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLi-000429-9s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:49474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLi-000420-7F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiLh-0005id-WA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:10:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 25154 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 25154-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B25154.148137896621925 (code B ref 25154); Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:10:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 25154) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2016 14:09:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36640 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiL8-0005hZ-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiL7-0005hM-DU for 25154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiL1-0003bS-8N for 25154@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:32784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiKw-0003Zi-Ni; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:14 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1432 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cFiKv-0005rB-Hc; Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:14 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Philipp Stephani on Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:41:16 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:126799 Archived-At: > From: Philipp Stephani > Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:41:16 +0000 > Cc: 25154@debbugs.gnu.org, Alex > > > Isn't it true that the order of evaluation in a 'let' is unspecified? > > If you want a particular order, use 'let*'. > Right, the order of evaluation in a let is up to the implementation. A program > should not rely on such details. > The same statement should apply to cl-letf. > > I think that should be mentioned explicitly in the manuals: given that the order of value evaluations is specified, > people might expect the same for the bindings themselves. I agree, patches to that effect are welcome. (AFAICT, the manual tries to say that already, but the wording could be more explicit.)