From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24897: 24.5; doc for `M' in Dired Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:46:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83r23fkeo2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7e2e7d39-fa26-4970-b816-355165f862f1@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="220565"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 24897@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 14 08:47:20 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8V-000vFC-A6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:47:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45046 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8U-0007Br-3k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:47:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41139) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8L-0007Bi-9A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:47:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8J-0008Q8-5r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:47:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:57206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8E-0008PR-8V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu8E-0001eF-22 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 24897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24897.15710355996305 (code B ref 24897); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 06:46:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu7r-0001dd-71 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:46:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60189) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu7n-0001dP-Qk for 24897@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:46:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47296) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu7h-0007zF-V0; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:46:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4965 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iJu7f-0001LG-FW; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 02:46:28 -0400 In-reply-to: <7e2e7d39-fa26-4970-b816-355165f862f1@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169217 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 24897@debbugs.gnu.org > > I suggest something like this: Instead of > "symbolic modes like `g+w'" we say > "symbolic modes like `a+w' and `a-w'". > > `a+w' and `a-w'o are likely the most useful for users on > MS Windows. And I think it helps to show both + and -. On Windows there's no difference between a+w, g+w, u+w, and o+w. You will just confuse people by giving them too many examples. They should read the full docs instead (if they want to use this facility, which on Windows I find not very probable). > > +Note that on MS-Windows only the `w' (write) bit is meaningful: > > +resetting it makes the file read-only. Changing any other bit > > +has no effect on MS-Windows > > I'm not sure "resetting" is as clear as this can be. It's clear enough IMNSHO. Let's not split hair here, shall we? > How about something like this? > > Note that on MS-Windows only the `w' (write) bit is > meaningful. Adding it (`a+w') makes a file writable. > Removing it (`a-w') makes a file read-only. Changing > any other bit has no effect on MS-Windows. See above: using a- or a+ only muddies the water. > (I also think, but Eli will correct me - and this might > depend on one's setup, that the use of `g',`u', and `o' > is useless on MS Windows. At least in my case there's > no distinction between `g', `u', `o', and `a'. "No distinction" is correct, "useless" in confusingly misleading. I think the doc string is fine as proposed in the last message, we should stop bikeshedding about this minor issue.