From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#48342: native-comp emacs gets into an infinite loop at startup if no .el files are available Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 20:43:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83r1id414v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878s4l1zlt.fsf@secretsauce.net> <875yzp1wz0.fsf@secretsauce.net> <834kf95u1z.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgx1yya7.fsf@secretsauce.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21947"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 48342@debbugs.gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Dima Kogan Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 11 19:45:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWRN-0005ZI-Np for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 19:45:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57892 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWRL-0007HN-3w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWQM-0006mc-CW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:53999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWQM-0006F4-3E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWQM-0007Uz-1U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 17:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48342 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 48342-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48342.162075501228779 (code B ref 48342); Tue, 11 May 2021 17:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 48342) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2021 17:43:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWPr-0007U7-Mq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:43:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWPp-0007Tv-Oy for 48342@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:43:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWPk-0005t6-H4; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:43:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3657 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lgWPj-0003oG-33; Tue, 11 May 2021 13:43:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87zgx1yya7.fsf@secretsauce.net> (message from Dima Kogan on Tue, 11 May 2021 10:29:20 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:206266 Archived-At: > From: Dima Kogan > Cc: akrl@sdf.org, 48342@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 10:29:20 -0700 > > > Note that if you will be distributing the *.eln files, I think the GPL > > requires you to make the *.el files available. In fact, this is so > > even with the *.elc files. So I'm not sure I understand how you could > > distribute only the *.elc files until now: isn't that contrary to GPL? > > The .el files are available, but the user doesn't have to install them. > Just like the .c sources are available, but the user can install just > the pre-built binaries if they want to. That's a problematic interpretation of the GPL, IME: this way, how can the user be sure he/she will be able to obtain at a later date the sources of the exact binary he/she is running? And the same question for Lisp files and the corresponding *.elc/*.eln. The only way to make sure is to have them together. But I don't intend to argue more about that.