From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49278: 28.0.50; Lisp Mode is for Common Lisp Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:47:34 +0300 Message-ID: <83r1gjmsd5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y2asa6lg.fsf@gmail.com> <835yxwo7td.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16531"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, 49278@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 30 14:48:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZdY-000488-3X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 14:48:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZdX-0000tj-0n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:48:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZdK-0000t4-NC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZdK-0002MU-GD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:48:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZdK-0000as-DV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:48:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49278 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49278-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49278.16250572592251 (code B ref 49278); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49278) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2021 12:47:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZcx-0000aF-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:47:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52654) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZcv-0000a3-Dk for 49278@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:47:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36924) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZcp-00023n-55; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:47:31 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4942 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyZco-0003yi-Ph; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:47:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 29 Jun 2021 18:59:29 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209167 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 49278@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 18:59:29 -0400 > > Same difference. It only works for Maclisp to the extent that Maclisp > is similar to Common Lisp and not because `lisp-mode` is a major mode > for both Common Lisp and Maclisp. > > > So I reckon lisp-mode wouldn't to a terrible job in most MacLisp > > programs. And maybe even SLY and a modern Common Lisp compiler could > > probably grok MacLisp or Franz Lisp code given sufficient > > hand-holding. > > IIRC they'd be surprised by the way arrays are treated: > > http://www.maclisp.info/pitmanual/array.html > > or "hunks": > > http://www.maclisp.info/pitmanual/hunks.html > > Also `lisp-mode` will happily misfontify and misindent `caseq` and `selectq`: > > http://www.maclisp.info/pitmanual/contro.html#CASEQ > > [ There are significant incompatibilities, of course. ] > > The fact that such errors in the handling of Maclisp have not been > addressed in `lisp-mode` in all these years (despite that Maclisp has > been a very stable target during those years) shows clearly that > `lisp-mode` does not try to be a major mode for Maclisp. We could say something about that to lower user expectations.