From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53316: 28.0.91; Missing Transient manual in Emacs Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:23:40 +0200 Message-ID: <83r182105v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o845s4xv.fsf@gnus.org> <87iltgcbqx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tuczdcqo.fsf@bernoul.li> <6ar182selo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18409"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, jonas@bernoul.li, p.stephani2@gmail.com, 53316@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 17 07:24:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaD7-0004ff-7h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:24:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58524 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaD5-0007qE-Sf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:24:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCw-0007pp-1y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:24:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCv-0000cS-OR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:24:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCv-0005G5-LA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:24:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53316 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53316-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53316.164507902720191 (code B ref 53316); Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2022 06:23:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49875 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCh-0005Fa-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:23:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCf-0005FM-SX for 53316@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:23:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=43068 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCZ-0000a7-Ux; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:23:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=YE0v2lyXOEn3FPeRZPdseyfuWM+hf0YvVC4xP+ccaLA=; b=VsujzzoPteSe 6kuz1oARSYN3Tur3r6cEao5spSXQCxvLBI0V5TDSmjElMKEtnBX+ykOD8L5Y7pmu4nVmPT7OyDlwu bQl3muFlsMGR6wOgSCBcL8OGwyED6eXLF+ZpK1wbPEXGRxtKzMxw2uk5098PX0oYlHVC2LXHIxRIB 0krUkbfjrt/0csEoYleB4U/DSt7uW/LvT368x97vFHe0FRxwZJUj5z6QKSj3Z7vl4xHs2W1rPauzA Dbe/eQEQIgCoudjPzeggm3N046Pw9vAREHHqMMQg/hu6Hes4u01JlQPOrgnoJ/6RTXnF9Mn5bSn3i YfX3nar3K48Xhts1cU4URw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2677 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nKaCU-000312-HY; Thu, 17 Feb 2022 01:23:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6ar182selo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:39 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227067 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:09:39 -0500 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , > Philipp Stephani , 53316@debbugs.gnu.org > > > And I don't think it makes sense to add the org file if some of the > > code needed to produce the texi file are not available inside Emacs. > > Eli would just have had to fix many more issues manually. > > Then IMO this manual should not be distributed with Emacs, until such > time as the required build machinery can be. That's IMNSHO an extremist POV with which I cannot disagree more. It's tantamount to saying that if we have a bug in Emacs, we cannot make a release until we fix it. As long as we are working on this issue, and intend to eventually provide the Org source in the distribution, I see no reason to remove the manual from the distribution. The Texinfo source will be in the tarball, can be used to make changes in the manual, and after my extensive changes one can no longer say that Texinfo is not the real source anyway. We should strive to fix the issues with generating the manual from Org on master, before Emacs 29 is released. Jonas, if you need any help with that, please holler.