From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68200: 30.0.50; Emacs reloads init file when calling `documentation' Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 14:36:02 +0200 Message-ID: <83r0iqptu5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8734vgjya9.fsf@web.de> <83wmsrzxtk.fsf@gnu.org> <875y056hvj.fsf@web.de> <8334v9simj.fsf@gnu.org> <877ckloxos.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11852"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 09 13:37:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBM0-0002q9-3n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 13:37:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLq-0001iZ-Qm; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:37:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLk-0001i0-8Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:36:57 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLj-0005bs-PT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:36:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLp-0005ci-Rx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:37:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 12:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68200 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 68200-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68200.170480381121600 (code B ref 68200); Tue, 09 Jan 2024 12:37:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68200) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2024 12:36:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38603 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLf-0005cJ-2q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:36:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50398) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLd-0005c6-QQ for 68200@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:36:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNBLQ-0005Vw-P6; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 07:36:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=HoufJ/i0rHzWvysLVoZ4pFdKpgMwXW7slZinl8Xv0bE=; b=FhoEHCExO1TzWpRJWhca zoofCWt18vj6WnI93oDKFRKxnKYFh/hyAmUftRkgrbe7rwScrUdMVMoAht92eLr9N2E/5z4CbXjPZ UmZDDOkCpw6UF5TCSCsX56bbCh4E5qwxuUgkaWXARcJSDzis4GuyG+dwLfTcj8cn6Tp77/MmzjY/X fiBZyUWX3ix8MDE25oe+YPIiHhn0arpWYtHYAlZrAhlClNDORH21CSohAOEkAnTUH2pR5nTnVAYzr qNR1s17PH6HXaWy+iqG0yY5B52QXc5UxjhcpV7ma1hbJPFvu6BeyBgladBV5IWwEQ/e+sYwLw6SkR 4v9+3PU9kRhA0Q==; In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Mon, 8 Jan 2024 21:22:16 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277622 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 21:22:16 +0000 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > Gerd Möllmann , > 68200@debbugs.gnu.org, acm@muc.de > From: Alan Mackenzie > > In an age when a computer with 1 GB RAM is regarded as small indeed, why > are we so concerned about the, at most, few hundred bytes occupied by > each doc string? Because RAM is always at premium, and because these things add up. > Even if certain libraries were given adequate doc > strings, that still wouldn't swell the occupied storage to more than... > Well, I think there are around 40,000 defuns (etc.) in Emacs (I did scan > the source files for this at one time). If each doc string were on > average 1024 bytes, that would come to around 40 MB. That's negligible > these days, surely. No, 40MB is far from being negligible. > Eli, what would you say to changing the default of the custom variable > byte-compile-dynamic-docstrings to nil? Why would that be useful? to hide bugs in code that doesn't work when the variable is non-nil? > And I'll have a look at why that variable no longer appears to be > working (though I have rather a lot on in the next few days). Thanks.