* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files
@ 2011-09-27 2:50 Steve Revilak
2011-09-27 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Steve Revilak @ 2011-09-27 2:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9610
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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':
I'd like to report an org-mode regression issue. When working with
large .org files, Emacs 24.0.90 becomes sluggish, and consumes large
amounts of CPU.
I've attached an .org file (sample.org.gz) that causes emacs to exhibit
this behavior. I apologize for the large attachment, but I have not
been able to reproduce this issue with small .org files.
Steps to reproduce:
(1) gunzip sample.org.gz
(2) run "top" in a terminal window. We'll use top to monitor emacs CPU
utilization.
(3) Start emacs as "emacs -Q sample.org". Emacs should open the file
with org-mode as the major mode.
(4) Press M-> to position point at the end of the buffer.
(5) Press RET and start typing. You don't need to type anything
meaningful: nonsense like "fdfsds fdsfds fdsfdsf fdsfdfsds" will do.
Continue typing for 10-20 seconds.
(6) While typing notice the delay between pressing keys on the keyboard,
and the characters being displayed in the buffer. To me, this feels
similar to typing characters into an ssh session, over a slow
communications link.
(7) While typing, observe emacs CPU utilization in top. While
performing step (5), I observed emacs using 100% CPU. (My machine has a
quad-core 2.66 GHz Intel Xeon processor; emacs was fully utilizing one
of the CPU cores).
(8) Repeat steps (3)--(7) with emacs 23.3. With emacs 23.3, the delays
in (6) are not present. As for step (7), I could not get emacs 23.3 to
use more than 2--4% CPU (as reported via top).
Uname for my system is
Linux sunny 2.6.37.6-0.7-desktop #1 SMP PREEMPT 2011-07-21 02:17:24 +0200 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
Another thing you can try: put point in line 1, column zero. Press and
hold the keyboard down arrow until point reaches the end of buffer;
then, press and hold the keyboard up arrow until point reaches the first
line of the buffer. Repeat this a few times. With emacs 24, the point
movement is `jerky', and emacs uses ~ 47% CPU (as reported by top).
With emacs 23.3, the point movement is `smooth', and emacs 23.3 uses
2--4% CPU (as reported by top).
If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
`bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/local/emacs-24.0.90.1/share/emacs/24.0.90/etc/DEBUG.
In GNU Emacs 24.0.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.1)
of 2011-09-26 on sunny
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10903000
configured using `configure '--prefix=/usr/local/emacs-24.0.90.1/''
Important settings:
value of $LC_ALL: nil
value of $LC_COLLATE: C
value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
value of $LC_TIME: nil
value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
default enable-multibyte-characters: t
Major mode: Perl
Minor modes in effect:
diff-auto-refine-mode: t
shell-dirtrack-mode: t
display-time-mode: t
tooltip-mode: t
mouse-wheel-mode: t
menu-bar-mode: t
file-name-shadow-mode: t
global-font-lock-mode: t
font-lock-mode: t
blink-cursor-mode: t
auto-composition-mode: t
auto-encryption-mode: t
auto-compression-mode: t
column-number-mode: t
line-number-mode: t
Recent input:
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
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<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
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<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
<down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down>
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C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1>
C-x k <return> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> M-x r e p o
r t - e m a <tab> <return>
Recent messages:
Saving file /home/srevilak/sample.org...
Wrote /home/srevilak/sample.org
Mark set
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byte-code: Beginning of buffer [3 times]
scroll-up-command: End of buffer [5 times]
scroll-up-command: End of buffer
Load-path shadows:
None found.
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 2:50 bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files Steve Revilak @ 2011-09-27 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-27 6:02 ` Bastien ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 5:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Revilak; +Cc: 9610 > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:50:25 -0400 > From: Steve Revilak <steve@srevilak.net> > > I'd like to report an org-mode regression issue. When working with > large .org files, Emacs 24.0.90 becomes sluggish, and consumes large > amounts of CPU. If you type this: M-x set-variable RET bidi-paragraph-direction RET left-to-right RET does the problem go away? Org mode should do that by default, but the Org mode maintainer (CC'ed) didn't yet respond to my repeated mails about this issue. Bastien, please tell me whether you want me to make this change in the Emacs repository, or wait for you to do it in the Org mode repo and then merge to Emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 6:02 ` Bastien 2011-09-27 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-27 13:47 ` Steve Revilak [not found] ` <20110927134744.GA959@KAYAK.com> 2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2011-09-27 6:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 9610, Steve Revilak Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > Bastien, please tell me whether you want me to make this change in the > Emacs repository, or wait for you to do it in the Org mode repo and > then merge to Emacs. Please make this change in the Emacs repository. Thanks, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 6:02 ` Bastien @ 2011-09-27 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-27 17:37 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: 9610, steve > From: Bastien <bzg@altern.org> > Cc: Steve Revilak <steve@srevilak.net>, 9610@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:02:47 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: > > > Bastien, please tell me whether you want me to make this change in the > > Emacs repository, or wait for you to do it in the Org mode repo and > > then merge to Emacs. > > Please make this change in the Emacs repository. Done in revision 105940. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 17:37 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2011-09-27 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 9610, steve Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> Please make this change in the Emacs repository. > > Done in revision 105940. Thanks! I added your change to Org's git repo: http://orgmode.org/w/?p=org-mode.git;a=commit;h=1a97f29c342d85960a65c0bd992fee7c87850da5 Best, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii 2011-09-27 6:02 ` Bastien @ 2011-09-27 13:47 ` Steve Revilak 2011-09-27 15:10 ` Lawrence Mitchell [not found] ` <87wrcum36m.fsf@gmx.li> [not found] ` <20110927134744.GA959@KAYAK.com> 2 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Steve Revilak @ 2011-09-27 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 9610, steve [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 733 bytes --] >> I'd like to report an org-mode regression issue. When working with >> large .org files, Emacs 24.0.90 becomes sluggish, and consumes large >> amounts of CPU. >If you type this: > > M-x set-variable RET bidi-paragraph-direction RET left-to-right RET > >does the problem go away? My bug report contained two scenarios to produce sluggish response and high CPU utilization. These scenarios were (1) move point to the end of buffer, and start typing (2) Put point in line 1, column zero; press and hold the down (then up) arrows to move point down (then up) the org-mode buffer. Setting bidi-paragraph-direction: left-to-right eliminates the problem with scenario (1). However, it has no effect on scenario (2). Steve [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 313 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files 2011-09-27 13:47 ` Steve Revilak @ 2011-09-27 15:10 ` Lawrence Mitchell [not found] ` <87wrcum36m.fsf@gmx.li> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Lawrence Mitchell @ 2011-09-27 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9610 Steve Revilak wrote: >>> I'd like to report an org-mode regression issue. When working with >>> large .org files, Emacs 24.0.90 becomes sluggish, and consumes large >>> amounts of CPU. >> If you type this: >> M-x set-variable RET bidi-paragraph-direction RET left-to-right RET >> does the problem go away? > My bug report contained two scenarios to produce sluggish response and > high CPU utilization. These scenarios were > (1) move point to the end of buffer, and start typing > (2) Put point in line 1, column zero; press and hold the down (then up) > arrows to move point down (then up) the org-mode buffer. > Setting bidi-paragraph-direction: left-to-right eliminates the problem > with scenario (1). However, it has no effect on scenario (2). Setting bidi-display-reordering to nil in the buffer has the effect that moving point is no longer jerky for me. Lawrence ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files [not found] ` <87wrcum36m.fsf@gmx.li> @ 2011-09-27 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lawrence Mitchell; +Cc: 9610 > From: Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li> > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:10:25 +0100 > > Setting bidi-display-reordering to nil in the buffer has the > effect that moving point is no longer jerky for me. I think with the latest trunk, you won't need to fiddle with this variable anymore. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* bug#9610: 24.0.90; org-mode: sluggish response and high CPU utilization with large .org files [not found] ` <20110927134744.GA959@KAYAK.com> @ 2011-09-27 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2011-09-27 17:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Steve Revilak; +Cc: 9610-done, steve > Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:47:45 -0400 > From: Steve Revilak <steve@srevilak.net> > Cc: 9610@debbugs.gnu.org, Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org>, steve@srevilak.net > > My bug report contained two scenarios to produce sluggish response and > high CPU utilization. These scenarios were > > (1) move point to the end of buffer, and start typing > > (2) Put point in line 1, column zero; press and hold the down (then up) > arrows to move point down (then up) the org-mode buffer. Sorry, I missed the second one. > Setting bidi-paragraph-direction: left-to-right eliminates the problem > with scenario (1). However, it has no effect on scenario (2). Yes, there was another reason for the slowdown. I found an optimization of the new display that solves the problem for me with your sample Org file. The fix is committed as revision 105941 on the trunk. If you cannot or don't want to build the trunk, the patch is reproduced below; please try it. On my machine, the cursor motion is now as fast as in Emacs 23 with the same file. I'm closing the bug. Feel free to reopen if there are any leftovers. Thanks. === modified file 'src/ChangeLog' --- src/ChangeLog 2011-09-27 08:37:07 +0000 +++ src/ChangeLog 2011-09-27 17:18:31 +0000 @@ -1,3 +1,11 @@ +2011-09-27 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> + + * xdisp.c (handle_invisible_prop): If invisible text ends on a + newline, reseat the iterator instead of bidi-iterating there one + character at a time. (Bug#9610) + (BUFFER_POS_REACHED_P, move_it_in_display_line_to): Bail when past + TO_CHARPOS if the bidi iterator is at base embedding level. + 2011-09-27 Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> * lread.c (readevalloop): Use correct code for NBSP. === modified file 'src/xdisp.c' --- src/xdisp.c 2011-09-24 16:28:25 +0000 +++ src/xdisp.c 2011-09-27 17:18:31 +0000 @@ -4056,40 +4056,67 @@ handle_invisible_prop (struct it *it) /* The position newpos is now either ZV or on visible text. */ if (it->bidi_p && newpos < ZV) { - /* With bidi iteration, the region of invisible text - could start and/or end in the middle of a non-base - embedding level. Therefore, we need to skip - invisible text using the bidi iterator, starting at - IT's current position, until we find ourselves - outside the invisible text. Skipping invisible text - _after_ bidi iteration avoids affecting the visual - order of the displayed text when invisible properties - are added or removed. */ - if (it->bidi_it.first_elt && it->bidi_it.charpos < ZV) - { - /* If we were `reseat'ed to a new paragraph, - determine the paragraph base direction. We need - to do it now because next_element_from_buffer may - not have a chance to do it, if we are going to - skip any text at the beginning, which resets the - FIRST_ELT flag. */ - bidi_paragraph_init (it->paragraph_embedding, - &it->bidi_it, 1); - } - do + EMACS_INT bpos = CHAR_TO_BYTE (newpos); + + if (FETCH_BYTE (bpos) == '\n' + || (newpos > BEGV && FETCH_BYTE (bpos - 1) == '\n')) { - bidi_move_to_visually_next (&it->bidi_it); + /* If the invisible text ends on a newline or the + character after a newline, we can avoid the + costly, character by character, bidi iteration to + newpos, and instead simply reseat the iterator + there. That's because all bidi reordering + information is tossed at the newline. This is a + big win for modes that hide complete lines, like + Outline, Org, etc. (Implementation note: the + call to reseat_1 is necessary, because it signals + to the bidi iterator that it needs to reinit its + internal information when the next element for + display is requested. */ + struct text_pos tpos; + + SET_TEXT_POS (tpos, newpos, bpos); + reseat_1 (it, tpos, 0); + } + else /* Must use the slow method. */ + { + /* With bidi iteration, the region of invisible text + could start and/or end in the middle of a + non-base embedding level. Therefore, we need to + skip invisible text using the bidi iterator, + starting at IT's current position, until we find + ourselves outside the invisible text. Skipping + invisible text _after_ bidi iteration avoids + affecting the visual order of the displayed text + when invisible properties are added or + removed. */ + if (it->bidi_it.first_elt && it->bidi_it.charpos < ZV) + { + /* If we were `reseat'ed to a new paragraph, + determine the paragraph base direction. We + need to do it now because + next_element_from_buffer may not have a + chance to do it, if we are going to skip any + text at the beginning, which resets the + FIRST_ELT flag. */ + bidi_paragraph_init (it->paragraph_embedding, + &it->bidi_it, 1); + } + do + { + bidi_move_to_visually_next (&it->bidi_it); + } + while (it->stop_charpos <= it->bidi_it.charpos + && it->bidi_it.charpos < newpos); + IT_CHARPOS (*it) = it->bidi_it.charpos; + IT_BYTEPOS (*it) = it->bidi_it.bytepos; + /* If we overstepped NEWPOS, record its position in + the iterator, so that we skip invisible text if + later the bidi iteration lands us in the + invisible region again. */ + if (IT_CHARPOS (*it) >= newpos) + it->prev_stop = newpos; } - while (it->stop_charpos <= it->bidi_it.charpos - && it->bidi_it.charpos < newpos); - IT_CHARPOS (*it) = it->bidi_it.charpos; - IT_BYTEPOS (*it) = it->bidi_it.bytepos; - /* If we overstepped NEWPOS, record its position in the - iterator, so that we skip invisible text if later the - bidi iteration lands us in the invisible region - again. */ - if (IT_CHARPOS (*it) >= newpos) - it->prev_stop = newpos; } else { @@ -7880,7 +7907,9 @@ move_it_in_display_line_to (struct it *i ((op & MOVE_TO_POS) != 0 \ && BUFFERP (it->object) \ && (IT_CHARPOS (*it) == to_charpos \ - || (!it->bidi_p && IT_CHARPOS (*it) > to_charpos) \ + || ((!it->bidi_p \ + || BIDI_AT_BASE_LEVEL (it->bidi_it)) \ + && IT_CHARPOS (*it) > to_charpos) \ || (it->what == IT_COMPOSITION \ && ((IT_CHARPOS (*it) > to_charpos \ && to_charpos >= it->cmp_it.charpos) \ @@ -7912,7 +7941,13 @@ move_it_in_display_line_to (struct it *i if ((op & MOVE_TO_POS) != 0 && BUFFERP (it->object) && it->method == GET_FROM_BUFFER - && ((!it->bidi_p && IT_CHARPOS (*it) > to_charpos) + && (((!it->bidi_p + /* When the iterator is at base embedding level, we + are guaranteed that characters are delivered for + display in strictly increasing order of their + buffer positions. */ + || BIDI_AT_BASE_LEVEL (it->bidi_it)) + && IT_CHARPOS (*it) > to_charpos) || (it->bidi_p && (prev_method == GET_FROM_IMAGE || prev_method == GET_FROM_STRETCH ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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