From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:17:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83pp759xip.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552E4913.8050309@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429114764 29516 80.91.229.3 (15 Apr 2015 16:19:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 20322@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 18:19:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1w-00032V-ME for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:19:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33088 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1v-0007sT-LB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:19:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57557) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1r-0007sC-HS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1n-0007tU-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:19:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:39264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1n-0007tQ-29 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:19:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1m-0008Dl-I3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:19:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.142911471131550 (code B ref 20322); Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2015 16:18:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1H-0008Co-4J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:18:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:40849) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YiQ1E-0008CY-SL for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:18:29 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NMU00500VNVXE00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:17:03 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NMU005MPVWFS750@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:17:03 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <552E4913.8050309@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101561 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:18:43 +0300 > From: Dmitry Gutov > Cc: 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 04/15/2015 05:33 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > Tabs make file smaller. I just did an experiment. In lread.c, M-x > > untabify changed 139702 characters into 155402 characters, which is > > 11% bigger. > > Right, I suppose that made sense, back in the day. Thanks for the context. > > > For subr.el, it was smaller: 200817 characters became 209939, only > > 4.5% bigger. However, files.el got 12% bigger. > > > > If most of a git repository is text from various versions of files, > > the repository is also likely to get around 10% bigger without tabs, > > and now you're talking about 30 meg more. > > Git compresses the file contents with zlib when storing them. Git compresses the objects under .git/, but it doesn't compress the checked-out files.