From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20924: 25.0.50; (elisp) `Sticky Properties` Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:17:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83pp4e4hgf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6ae86cab-a610-42cd-a05d-6d209b40721c@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435594703 20220 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2015 16:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20924@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 29 18:18:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bl7-0001la-Al for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:18:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bl6-0006RB-B5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:18:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52335) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bkz-0006Qe-K4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bkw-0003a8-C0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:59976) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bkw-0003a2-8z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bkv-0002iz-Oh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:18:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20924 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20924-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20924.143559466410449 (code B ref 20924); Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20924) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2015 16:17:44 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bkd-0002iS-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:35231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Z9bka-0002iB-Kg for 20924@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:17:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQP00900RJ05L00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20924@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:17:34 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQP008X1RX9UV30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:17:34 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <6ae86cab-a610-42cd-a05d-6d209b40721c@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:104500 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20924@debbugs.gnu.org > > Isn't that the distinction you are trying to make? When a char is > inserted by way of being "bound to a command that just inserts the > character which invoked it", then it "normally take[s] on the same > properties as the preceding character"? That's what the manual says, yes. > Anyway, I submit that the text is unclear. The specific behavior > (e.g., what function `insert' does) described in the rest of the > node is clear. The first paragraph is not clear. Please try to > find some other way to say what you think the message of the first > paragraph is. I don't see what's unclear. The first paragraph contrasts the rest with what happens with self-inserting characters. In a nutshell, it says: when users insert characters by typing, they inherit ...; by contrast, a Lisp program that inserts text can choose not to. > Under what conditions does a character "normally > take on the same properties as the preceding character"? When it is inserted by typing that character. That's what the first paragraph says.