From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22604: 24.5; (elisp) `Key Binding Conventions': what about other `C-c' keys? Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 20:16:35 +0200 Message-ID: <83pow5bvgc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<38cef267-d54f-40d5-9282-563615551367@default> <29ac44ad-3c5d-486e-abd7-a7ef70e906d1@default> <0fa54275-c058-4f38-9ef4-cc24de315dc0@default>> < <838u2tddcs.fsf@gnu.org>> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455041837 7249 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2016 18:17:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: schwab@suse.de, 22604@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 19:17:07 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqZ-0004C2-CY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:17:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59239 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqY-0001QX-NB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:17:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43805) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqV-0001Pr-8T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:17:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqU-0000zv-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:17:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52921) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqU-0000zr-82 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqU-00022F-4B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:17:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22604 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22604-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22604.14550418197811 (code B ref 22604); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22604) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2016 18:16:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33829 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqR-00021v-BM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:16:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqQ-00021i-5B for 22604@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:16:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqH-0000tU-TF for 22604@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:16:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45614) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqH-0000tM-QB; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:16:49 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1397 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCqH-0005dl-0R; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 13:16:49 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:24:03 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112819 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:24:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: schwab@suse.de, 22604@debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes, "punctuation and symbol characters" helps, IMO. That was > one of my points: the chars are not necessarily punctuation, in > the usual sense of the word. Done. > Dunno whether it's good to limit it to ASCII. At a minimum it > should cover the "punctuation and symbol character" keys on a > typical US keyboard, of course. Those are all ASCII, AFAIK. > Whether it should also cover other punctuation or other symbol chars > is maybe an open question. > > It's really about character-inserting keys on a keyboard, not > punctuation and symbol chars that are not on keys. Not sure I agree. Usurping too many characters would not be a good idea, IMO. > But a key on a French keyboard that inserts a left guillemet > char should, I think, be handled the same by the convention as > is a key on a US keyboard that inserts a double-quote char or > a left angle-bracket char. How can such a binding be useful, when Emacs runs on a non-French keyboard? Do we really want to encourage modes that can only be fully functional in some specific locales? I don't think so. Any reasons not to close the bug report?