From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#24229: 25.1; Can't set EPA program Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:13:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83pop6dv1x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <89B49EC8-8E9C-462F-8E0C-9A6ABC7A8C87@tenpoint.co.nz> <87mvkcqzbf.fsf-ueno@gnu.org> <4B42E5C1-2FC6-471D-9E68-309B1C9DF1FD@tenpoint.co.nz> <83ziobe80q.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1471529709 13486 195.159.176.226 (18 Aug 2016 14:15:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org To: Daiki Ueno Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 18 16:15:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO60-0002z2-KV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:15:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52929 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO5y-0008QO-RU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:14:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56255) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO58-0007sQ-5a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:14:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO54-0002JQ-3P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:14:06 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO53-0002JM-Vv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO53-0003SY-Rl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:14:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 24229 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 24229-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B24229.147152962013263 (code B ref 24229); Thu, 18 Aug 2016 14:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 24229) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2016 14:13:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4i-0003Rr-8s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4g-0003Re-OY for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4X-0001wx-MM for 24229@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:60225) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4U-0001vY-Dr; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:26 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2340 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1baO4S-000217-JY; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:13:25 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Daiki Ueno on Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:122363 Archived-At: > From: Daiki Ueno > Cc: nick@tenpoint.co.nz, 24229@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:14:27 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> So, we really need to take account of user's intention here; check > >> whether the variable set by user or it is the default value. With > >> 'setq' it is not possible to have such distinction. > > > > Doesn't Customize provide some functions that allow such a > > distinction? The Customize UI surely is able to tell when a variable > > was "changed not through Customize", isn't that what you want? > > This is what we are currently doing, and the bug is saying that it > should be done without Customize. It doesn't make sense to me though. What I meant is that Customize does have a way of telling that a value was changed using setq, so evidently there's some infrastructure for that which you could use. Am I missing something?