From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21391: 24.5; `thing-at-point' should return a string Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:47:34 +0200 Message-ID: <83pom7gjhl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0a68c2ae-0940-4e2c-8b3c-1faceb45c43c@default> <1773ab35-70b1-42f9-8a8b-fe07881487d1@default> <874m3krnb6.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83a8dbiaps.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1478548177 25900 195.159.176.226 (7 Nov 2016 19:49:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 19:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, 21391@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 20:49:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pv1-00058f-QX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:49:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56232 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pv4-000361-Qo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:49:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3ptm-0002KF-Na for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pti-0003St-RY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:33295) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pti-0003Sp-Nj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pti-000589-Ep for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:48:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21391 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21391-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21391.147854804019668 (code B ref 21391); Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:48:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2016 19:47:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pt2-000579-5e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38602) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c3pt0-00056v-T0 for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3psr-0003Ks-OH for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:13 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41545) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c3psr-0003Kn-LD; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:09 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2406 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c3psq-0005Pq-7l; Mon, 07 Nov 2016 14:47:09 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:12:07 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125438 Archived-At: > Cc: 21391@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2016 21:12:07 +0200 > > On 07.11.2016 17:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> It's natural if `thing-at-point' returns the thing as a string. > >> When the user don't want a string then s?he can use the specific > >> functions, like `number-at-point' or `list-at-point'. > > > > Isn't that completely backward-incompatible? > > When thing is a number? Maybe. I don't imagine it's used very often. But previously it could be used. After this change, it would be impossible. > > If so, I don't think we > > can do that. > > It's pretty clearly a bug: most other "things" behave otherwise (list, > sexp, symbol). I'd very much rather we didn't retain conceptual problems > like that just for the sake of compatibility. Not sure which behavior you have in mind. The removal of properties? Or something else?