From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#26952: 25.1; loops eating all memory while yanking big rectangle Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:42:46 +0300 Message-ID: <83poeuiw3t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zie8gyu4.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83h90fq269.fsf@gnu.org> <87vaovh1db.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <8360gvpfxr.fsf@gnu.org> <87shjzgwgk.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <83y3tqnsab.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgpqng0i.fsf@gnu.org> <83inkto7yz.fsf@gnu.org> <83lgplkm64.fsf@gnu.org> <4dacb636-0cae-9cb6-8491-2630e763d956@cs.ucla.edu> <83a860lupf.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1495871054 5493 195.159.176.226 (27 May 2017 07:44:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 26952@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 27 09:44:10 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOP-0001Ih-DO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 09:44:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39738 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOU-0000MM-Ot for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:44:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOJ-0000KZ-IO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:44:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOI-0002wk-Rz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37158) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOI-0002we-OP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWOI-0008NS-Ga for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:44:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 26952 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 26952-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B26952.149587099632140 (code B ref 26952); Sat, 27 May 2017 07:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 26952) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2017 07:43:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWNY-0008MK-1j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:43:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36252) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWNW-0008M1-TR for 26952@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWNO-0002Tp-HG for 26952@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:43:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57277) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWN8-0002ND-1S; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2038 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dEWN5-0001Dk-7z; Sat, 27 May 2017 03:42:48 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 26 May 2017 21:15:32 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:132907 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Paul Eggert , jwiegley@gmail.com, 26952@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 21:15:32 -0400 > > If a ~ six month testing process doesn't show up the fairly fundamental > memory issues that cropped up in both 25.1 and 25.2 soon after release, > then perhaps it isn't time well spent. AFAIU, the problem was discovered by Francesco this late because he only now upgraded from Emacs 22(!) to 25.2. > Perhaps people would be better served by more frequent, smaller > releases. I don't think we know how to do this, either. The experience of 25.1 and 25.2 shows that it might take a couple of weeks, sometimes more, from the decision to make a tarball until it finally hits the download site. We need to have a much faster turnaround if we want to go your way. Another issue is that we will have to be more stringent in our documentation requirements accompanying each change, if we basically want to release development snapshots. > I have the feeling (not backed up by any data) that pretest use is > declining, with people just using master or releases. Perhaps > switching things around so that releases come from master (and > development happens on a branch) would help, but maybe not. If development happens on a branch, my guess is people who currently use master will switch to tracking that branch instead, and we are back at the same problem.