From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35564: [PATCH v3] Tweak dired warning about "wildcard" characters Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:13:15 +0300 Message-ID: <83pnmwfpj8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zho2cd4f.fsf@gmail.com> <87wohvf22u.fsf@gmail.com> <87h88cvpkj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87a7e27gh5.fsf@gmail.com> <8736jujkvj.fsf@gmail.com> <32acf7a4-70d2-4c33-a3f5-18b082903d4a@default> <87ef3dvbgq.fsf@gmail.com> <581e7cf3-a99f-415d-a999-3b2f3f419c8f@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="251406"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: kevin.legouguec@gmail.com, 35564@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 29 16:14:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE7G-0013CY-EA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:14:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE7F-0001nN-GI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53443) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE7A-0001nC-SK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE79-0002Zg-Tq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:14:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59453) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE79-0002ZV-Q6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE79-0000TS-GO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:14:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 14:14:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 35564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35564.15618176201783 (code B ref 35564); Sat, 29 Jun 2019 14:14:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2019 14:13:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE6m-0000Sh-88 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:13:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE6h-0000SS-PY for 35564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:13:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE6b-0002Fy-EM; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:13:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4299 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hhE6Y-0000JY-74; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:13:28 -0400 In-reply-to: <581e7cf3-a99f-415d-a999-3b2f3f419c8f@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 28 Jun 2019 11:43:55 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:161832 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 11:43:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 35564@debbugs.gnu.org, Noam Postavsky , > Stefan Monnier > > > > We should not, in any case, _rely_ on any > > > highlighting to get across meaning (semantics). > > > Highlighting should always be an extra - a > > > nice-to-have. Some users will not see the > > > highlighting - it cannot be the only thing that > > > gets the intended meaning across. > > > > > > (Again, I'm not saying that we _are_ relying on > > > highlighting this way. I just want to be sure > > > we're not. We don't want to unnecessarily > > > introduce an accessibility problem.) > > > > With the current patches, we absolutely totally completely _would_ rely > > on highlighting to get across semantics. Thank you for spelling it out > > as an accessibility problem; that kind of confirms my nagging feeling > > that the highlighting method has an unfavorable benefit/cost ratio (IOW, > > it's cute, but it might make things worse for some users). > > There is likely another way to make those occurrences > stand out (in addition to, not instead of, highlighting). > But I'm no expert on that. Maybe Eli has a suggestion. We could both highlight and underline the relevant text. We already do that in other cases.