From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50946: Emacs-28: Inadequate coding in hack-elisp-shorthands Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:52:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83pmsnbnci.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831r54einq.fsf@gnu.org> <871r54xnds.fsf@gmail.com> <87ee933bcj.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32864"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50946@debbugs.gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 14:53:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVp-0008Pf-6t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 14:53:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVn-0008Am-RC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:53:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVi-0008Ad-IH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46634) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVi-0000MI-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVi-0001PZ-AL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:53:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 12:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50946 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50946-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50946.16331791755412 (code B ref 50946); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 12:53:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50946) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 12:52:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58180 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVa-0001PE-SZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:52:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55922) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVZ-0001P1-7Z for 50946@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52344) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVT-0000FE-58; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:52:47 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3938 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWeVS-00043Z-MX; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 08:52:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 2 Oct 2021 12:38:58 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216140 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 12:38:58 +0000 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 50946@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > I think that with hack-elisp-shorthands having been coded without > attention to detail, there is a good chance the rest of this feature is > similarly lacking in attention to detail, which is why I asked for an > independent person to check. Eli seems to think this isn't a problem. If you want me to take your critique seriously, please be specific: what are the aspects of that function that you think lack attention to detail, and what detail? We _are_ having a technical discussion of a Lisp program, and quite a short one at that, right? If so, it shouldn't be hard for you to provide the details of what worries you there. And while at that, please try to distinguish between general problems of hack-local-variables--find-variables, which affect all of Emacs, and hack-elisp-shorthands, which is specific to this feature. > You haven't fixed this bug. When you first closed it this afternoon, I > assumed you did so by accident, since the -done@debbugs.gnu.org was on > the Cc:. Your recent closing of this unfixed bug was clearly > deliberate. Which bug (or bugs) is that? > I'm not going to get into a childish game with you, opening and closing > this bug repeatedly. Instead, I invite you to calm down, think it over > over the next few days, and consider whether such unfixed bugs are > really the right thing for Emacs. I don't think you are calm enough, either. So the invitation to calm down goes both ways here. Please focus on technical issues and leave ad-hominem out of this, okay?