From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46472: Make lisp/mail/uce.el obsolete Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 19:44:17 +0300 Message-ID: <83pmsap50e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83im6we6v8.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtw8cbku.fsf@gnu.org> <83czoaqrjq.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3622"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rgm@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 46472@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 12 18:48:54 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1maKxR-0000jg-PG for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 18:48:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54028 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maKxQ-0007wq-69 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:48:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40606) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maKti-0003qP-UT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39719) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maKti-0003uJ-LC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:45:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1maKti-0004ib-J4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:45:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46472 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security Original-Received: via spool by 46472-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46472.163405708018064 (code B ref 46472); Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:45:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46472) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2021 16:44:40 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51257 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1maKtM-0004hE-JK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1maKtE-0004gW-IU for 46472@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:44:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maKt8-0003Vd-7l; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:44:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1713 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1maKt7-0005tN-9x; Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:44:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:12:02 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217056 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:12:02 -0700 > Cc: 46472@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > No, please leave unnecessary changes out of emacs-28. > > Even documentation changes? These are not just documentation changes, these are changes of the semantics of the package. It's not like they are typos or inaccuracies in the documentation. And the new defcustom is definitely not a documentation change. > I'd suggest installing the change as attached on emacs-28. If that's > not possible, I'd like to install it on master, but add the same text to > the package "Commentary" section on emacs-28. On master, please. And I don't see why have the same text twice. > > So I think the same message could be usefully conveyed with much fewer > > words. > > I've tried shortening it in the attached. It is still too repetitive, IMO: > +- You will confirm that your email address is valid, thus ensuring > + you get more spam. > + > +- You will leak information (e.g. on your email server and > + setup), thus opening yourself up for further attack. They are > + likely to find your IP and \"geolocation\"), which often makes > + it trivial to find e.g. your home address and phone number. The first paragraph is a special case of the second one. > +- The sender address is likely fake. The abuse@domain is > + unlikely to be able to do anything. > + > +- You open yourself up to various kinds of social engineering. > + > +- You confirm that the email did not land in your spam folder. > + (This helps them refine their methods of spamming.) This is also the same as what you already said. > +- Scammers have been known to threaten, intimidate, and use other > + forms of criminal manipulation. Replying to spam can lead down > + a path that you may not want to be on. This is the same as "open yourself to ..." paragraph.