From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19070: 25.0.50; Provide a user option that filters the buffer list for `switch-to-next-buffer' Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:37:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83pmkiodog.fsf@gnu.org> References: <6ccbf136-5fc1-4b95-ab58-67ad51619fe8@default> <87r14z353v.fsf@gnus.org> <8335hepujl.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1z6of3j.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30177"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 19070@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 12 20:25:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1npDUx-0007gJ-9h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 20:25:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53954 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1npDUw-0001UU-9y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 14:25:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1npClG-0004VO-0B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48317) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1npClF-0006te-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:38:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npClF-0005sk-Ji for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:38:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19070 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 19070-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19070.165237702722533 (code B ref 19070); Thu, 12 May 2022 17:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19070) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 May 2022 17:37:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npCkN-0005rN-2G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44650) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1npCkL-0005ql-Sy for 19070@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1npCkG-0006lW-DE; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:37:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=i7XKVekAz5h6YeSdFyX0PNZpC5enERfh9yY0XprrTXA=; b=F7Zd6/BszWzG K3iUCqR5Kxfnu/+eyfMpejQ5KWaXlk5EW2roh6jIfoRdizO7HsEmJ+3WYBsgLUG4tq7mPVwBhSbx0 zBkBIVxOFY2psDn4lqoh5CfMFMrnej0/LY63TyqZfGgY20D4R8VWB4mtfyX/fOcnGpcj/4bQ+zuKz RGU2BDhzvCra7fe23cQWvtMfFcQDF1r6rzFbZm5Ywb110jnzeaGr0KkyA4Kw4IcYUQQkBIP/bpg1R ayL9YT/+RGQkQw5bCszOMJQaImfEMuT0oURw+tKQHglxYLduIVXfjx9Ehf/J9lVTo74NW/5xhAums +We10jWutw0kzhVDjq5gRA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1780 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1npCkF-0002Ua-Rw; Thu, 12 May 2022 13:37:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 12 May 2022 17:25:33 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:232089 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , > "19070@debbugs.gnu.org" > <19070@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 17:25:33 +0000 > > > > > Did you look at the change that was actually installed? > > > > > > If communicated in the bug thread then I'd know the > > > answer to the question, and wouldn't need to ask. > > > It wasn't. > > > > People who want answers to those questions are expected to look in > > Git. A URL to do so was posted many times in response to your > > questions like the above. > > > > Please don't expect people here to post information that you can > > easily and trivially find out yourself. > > If there were an accurate classification of whether > a bug was actually fixed, versus not fixed (won't > fix), then I wouldn't need to look at anything. > > In that case, "fixed" or "wont-fix" would suffice. > Alas, we now get tons and tons of "fixed"/"Done" > for bugs that are not fixed. > > If a bug is partly fixed, in the view of the fixer, > then yes, IMHO it behooves the closing email to make > clear to the filer what parts were fixed, i.e., how > much it was and wasn't fixed. That's being honest > and straightforward. The decision whether and how to fix a bug is a judgment call of the development team. We don't post all the details of the fix as part of the bug discussion, because it's a burden, and looking in the Git repository for the answer to that question is very easy. Honesty has nothing to do with that; fairness has everything to do with it: you are being unfair expecting the Emacs maintainers to do the job that you can do yourself, and easily so. > There's nothing odd or abnormal about expecting > specific info about how/whether a bug is "fixed". Not nowadays, not with the easy access we all have to the repository and to the actual fixes.