From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7517: 24.0.50; repeated crash under Mac OS X Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:57:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83oc80q1k4.fsf__48158.3045599566$1293884633$gmane$org@gnu.org> References: <87tyic1uzh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87vd2dyzfj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D1B22A1.6080202@swipnet.se> <4D1B27AF.7010701@swipnet.se> <4D1C6E7D.2040300@swipnet.se> <4D1D0172.8080404@swipnet.se> <4D1DB555.5080002@swipnet.se> <4D1DBD4A.6010303@swipnet.se> <83d3oiaysj.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1DD655.1040809@swipnet.se> <83aajmaxme.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1E5987.2000502@swipnet.se> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293884633 14779 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2011 12:23:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, user.emacs@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 7517@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 01 13:23:47 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ0Us-0002NI-OB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:23:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42950 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ0Ur-00073C-Vo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:23:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53078 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ0Uj-000724-1d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:23:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ0Uh-0006iA-Qr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46087) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ0Uh-0006i1-P9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:23:35 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYzxG-0002Br-9B; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:49:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7517 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 7517-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7517.12938825218391 (code B ref 7517); Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:49:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7517) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2011 11:48:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYzwv-0002BI-4o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:48:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYzws-0002B4-OR for 7517@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:48:40 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEC00I00ED53E00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7517@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:55:11 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.219.104]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEC00HNIEFT2GD0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:55:10 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:49:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42975 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: emacs user , Eli Zaretskii , 7517@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Uday S. Reddy" > Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:07:22 -0500 > > I'd tend to agree. ENCODE_UTF_8 is used for things where we *really* > want the output to be proper utf-8, so any char outside of utf-8 > (e.g. an eight-bit char) should result in something else than a raw byte > in the output. The only thing it can do is output the replacement character U+FFFD, or `?', or characters in the range U+DC80..U+DCFF. I tend to think that `?' is the best alternative. > This is contrary to what we do for utf-8 files So we should have a different encoding symbol for these two variants. I still maintain that VM should do better in this case. I don't think we have a clear idea of what happened in this particular crash, so perhaps is too soon to forget about VM's part.