From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30241: Emacs 26.0.91: "Generalized variables" are not defined. Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 12:34:53 +0200 Message-ID: <83o9lfk2sy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180124200652.GA4493@ACM> <83h8r8ln7u.fsf@gnu.org> <41654c7c-2d8d-44ec-a5c4-dd12014b7a9e@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517049261 19945 195.159.176.226 (27 Jan 2018 10:34:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, 30241@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 27 11:34:16 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1efNoG-0004N0-2z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:34:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNqG-0002El-LE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:36:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50611) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNqB-0002EF-06 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:36:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNq6-0006dN-OO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:36:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:36501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNq6-0006dH-Jt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:36:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1efNq6-0002DX-BA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:36:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30241 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30241-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30241.15170493048458 (code B ref 30241); Sat, 27 Jan 2018 10:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30241) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2018 10:35:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44398 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1efNp9-0002CM-WD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:35:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59360) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1efNp8-0002Bp-Kl for 30241@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:35:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNoz-0005wd-8m for 30241@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:34:57 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1efNoz-0005wX-4x; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:34:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2553 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1efNoy-0002kq-2j; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 05:34:52 -0500 In-reply-to: <41654c7c-2d8d-44ec-a5c4-dd12014b7a9e@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:15:32 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:142577 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:15:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: acm@muc.de, 30241@debbugs.gnu.org > > If you want to compare the Emacs explanation with the CL one, > compare all that is written at the URL I provided. I already did, and would expect you to assume that up front. > I think you'll see a difference - it is, IMO, "significantly > different". Actually, no, I didn't. I do see some additional explanations that might have helped Alan understand the issue, but nothing "significant". So much so that I doubt Alan will find the CL docs helpful after disliking our docs of the same subject, as he did, based on his original bug report. Of course, it's possible that I'm missing something here. Therefore, I invite Alan (and anyone else who'd like to chime in) to please compare the CL docs on this matter with ours, and tell what parts of the former made the issue "fall into place" (pun intended) wrt this topic, where our docs don't. Bonus points for proposing patches for the relevant parts of the ELisp manual, to make this subject's documentation "significantly" better. Thanks.