From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37829: 27.0.50; Overlay behaviour changed without documentation. Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:13:41 +0300 Message-ID: <83o8yb44d6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d0erssxl.wl-all_but_last@163.com> <83mudv65jd.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv83fz0n.fsf@gnus.org> <83h843644k.fsf@gnu.org> <87blubfxq9.fsf@gnus.org> <83d0er62y7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftjne50s.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37829@debbugs.gnu.org, all_but_last@163.com To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 20 21:14:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeZ-0018JI-PM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 21:14:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44604 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeY-0002zq-9R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45755) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeR-0002zg-Uj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:14:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeQ-0003GZ-Rt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46468) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeQ-0003GU-OX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:14:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeQ-0002Ri-Gg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:14:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37829 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37829-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37829.15715988399386 (code B ref 37829); Sun, 20 Oct 2019 19:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37829) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2019 19:13:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55289 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeM-0002RK-N1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:13:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36663) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeK-0002R3-Gh for 37829@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:13:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeD-00038p-Oi; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:13:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1503 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iMGeD-0001bo-0i; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 15:13:49 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ftjne50s.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:49:23 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:169856 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: all_but_last@163.com, 37829@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 18:49:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The idea behind this feature was that most faces shall not be > > extended, so doing it the opposite way would mean we need to change > > the definitions of an unlimited number of faces, including those not > > in core. > > We do not have to change anything not in core -- whether people want the > new, more convenient behaviour, is up to them. But under the assumption that most faces should not be extended, that would mean our default is wrong in most cases, and what kind of default is that? > And there certainly aren't unlimited places we have to change thing > in-tree, because most things in-tree look just how we wanted them to. I said "including those not in core". > > Others said the exact opposite: that they want to be able to do that > > without having the face extended. > > With the new interface, they can do that, whatever the default is. They wanted to do that without customizing the faces. > > Also, the automatic extension in Emacs 26 and before behaved > > inconsistently in GUI and text-mode frames, and even between different > > attributes (color vs underline, for example). > > Well, the only attributes where it makes a difference are background > colours and underline, surely? (Well, and overline, but nobody uses > that.) No, there's also strikethrough and box.