From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#45536: [PATCH] Pretty-print keys without <> around modifiers Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 15:34:54 +0200 Message-ID: <83o8i8g4qp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sg7oidp6.fsf@gnu.org> <87sg7oosmx.fsf@gnus.org> <97ADE294-0674-4CAC-96B1-DAD947BA3A32@acm.org> <87im8ioan4.fsf@gnus.org> <9029B6ED-5201-417A-AE37-44A564561BBA@acm.org> <87h7o1c4uv.fsf@gnus.org> <83zh1sg947.fsf@gnu.org> <020D0443-20C2-4F8B-81FE-F1040469E919@acm.org> <83tus0g7tr.fsf@gnu.org> <50C39303-B054-4E6E-9F6E-273794587B8E@acm.org> <83pn2og6ll.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18346"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 45536@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 01 14:36:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKbH-0004dK-2i for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 14:36:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46404 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKbF-000266-KK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:36:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKb3-00025t-Vq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:36:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:44264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKb3-0008Qa-Oc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:36:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKb3-00065K-ME for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:36:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 45536 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 45536-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B45536.160950812523347 (code B ref 45536); Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:36:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 45536) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2021 13:35:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKaT-00064V-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:35:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKaS-00064G-04 for 45536@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:35:24 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56233) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKaM-00083J-KA; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:35:18 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4186 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kvKaF-0000qt-8S; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:35:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Fri, 1 Jan 2021 14:29:53 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197134 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 14:29:53 +0100 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 45536@debbugs.gnu.org > > It was suggested earlier in the discussion that people might be confused about the meaning of M- and that it therefore would be better to keep the old style despite its shortcomings. The Info manual's apparent and pervasive use of the logical style indicates that such concerns are unlikely to be well-founded. > > It is not an argument about how the manual (in any format) should present key bindings. Nor is the Info manual's style the reason for the change; it merely supports the claim that the logical style is well-understood and not controversial in the least. I therefore suggest not to mention the Info manual's representation of key sequences in this discussion at all. The Info rendering of key sequences is almost entirely unrelated to what Emacs does, and can only confuse and muddy the waters (as it did here).