From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51661: 29.0.50; What is "interactive Lisp closure"? 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Other commands still say "interactive compiled Lisp function", at least the few I tried did. What is "an autoloaded interactive Lisp closure"? There's no mention of it in the Emacs user manual, and the Emacs Lisp Reference manual says this about closures: A closure is a function that also carries a record of the lexical environment that existed when the function was defined. When it is invoked, any lexical variable references within its definition use the retained lexical environment. In all other respects, closures behave much like ordinary functions; in particular, they can be called in the same way as ordinary functions. Is this the same "closure"? What is special about this command that we say "closure" there? Do we have to confuse users by showing that in the Help buffers? In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 137, i686-pc-mingw32) of 2021-11-07 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Repository revision: a05f6bb6718a6ba2617d367e665d6f658a518448 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600) Configured using: 'configure -C --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int --enable-checking=yes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -gdwarf-4 -g3'' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1255 Major mode: ELisp/l Minor modes in effect: bug-reference-prog-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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