From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53188: 28.0.90; if tooltip-mode is off, modeline context menu blocks minibuffer at column 36 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 14:38:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83o84f3j65.fsf@gnu.org> References: <7ea6e621-6d7b-7b2-2cd6-25da43551ed@SDF.ORG> <83mtk26vm9.fsf@gnu.org> <16f899bf-98e3-662-c5b7-21f120a86a0@SDF.ORG> <83y23k2bxd.fsf@gnu.org> <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@SDF.ORG> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32345"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org To: Van Ly Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 13 13:45:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zTw-0008GD-UU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 13:45:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48370 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zTu-0002M2-TB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:45:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43982) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zNf-00019D-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39273) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zNe-0004NO-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zNe-0005bi-DK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:39:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53188 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 53188-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53188.164207750821500 (code B ref 53188); Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53188) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2022 12:38:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60409 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zN6-0005ai-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zN4-0005aQ-47 for 53188@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=42590 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zMx-0004K5-Jg; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Sug5d8qvNEOg1/Q7gUBg73oGpR4nZ/ITE5U8nV2AVrc=; b=jrj5uSMuqFhF SnDTH0BQ+IFRFB7Xnlpm55az/U8BVmXG+Y+Gb3wqZSmSybxcZDaIwsHbHk5DX3PRui0gEpv4nJ7OJ jwPQ1fp4YjRPIUCqp7/f9Bj/VqPB8vWM2a/Da6ntE4T1TiRhI4DVkTdBG2tGGm+b8VG4D92g0b4p5 dRhA0tH+EkcKx0ZziH16POPdGzAGTV1u3gvCtWVhaI2J8lmmFvygKYR5xdJC67LSa+BbdE2fRxLIC Voj/+b+Q0f6jguDF3y1OTOEN2eu9Y540TYv1KyMccZ9alsEOycvlYyDIQp275MkEM/5SiEFIQ3bKp JXcWSaXQ7S8Su8PmeGjg3g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2036 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7zMp-0008P6-M2; Thu, 13 Jan 2022 07:38:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <19ac9b5c-a097-82da-80c-361b66415a16@SDF.ORG> (message from Van Ly on Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224100 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:16:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: Van Ly > cc: 53188@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Maybe tooltip-mode should be silent in the echo-area once nil is set. > > > > I don't think I follow: do you mean that we should suppress _all_ > > help-echo text when tooltip-mode is nil? That'd be too drastic, I > > think, and unjustified. > > > > The text associated with the tooltip is helpful early on but becomes > an annoying visual nag once you are familiar with what that thing > does. I had tooltip-mode set nil. I didn't expect the echo area to > contain the tooltip. There was text in the echo area and I couldn't > get the modeline context menu out of the way to read it. When I > restarted in 'emacs -Q' to report the bug I discovered the echo area > partially contained the tooltip text because tooltip-mode is default > on. My point is if there is text I want, I want to be able to read > all of it. If I've set tooltip-mode nil then I expect tooltip text > masked out from every output channel. So you are actually asking for a new feature, whereby the tooltips are not shown at all, is that right?