From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63744: 28.2; fix dired-guess-default Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 15:38:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83o7m3gvnm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838rdajmkk.fsf@gnu.org> <83jzwthsx5.fsf@gnu.org> <87fs7g53rx.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33650"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63744@debbugs.gnu.org To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 29 14:38:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8j-0008Vf-Ng for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 14:38:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8S-0001cs-Dy; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8R-0001ck-5w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:38:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8Q-0003iM-T3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:38:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8Q-0005vG-0s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:38:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 12:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63744 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63744-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63744.168536387222750 (code B ref 63744); Mon, 29 May 2023 12:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63744) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 May 2023 12:37:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8F-0005us-Jb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:37:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45612) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c8D-0005uf-6i for 63744@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c87-0003d6-F9; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:37:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/QF6T2jw4/FQ3FdqND4D2OEIIz/HYXorfGuGfSUBUA8=; b=IHlKsNYeTQJf fVFA0b5/mRh/k9yNSwfglQNVNiv0Qpg5IoT7Tu8yhXJWUFbpEOFfx/nOdn+dxmDJoVFi0V3LK73qK PG0wAn+yRHhKnu8O2GDCWFObsVz6eY9Keil28KIY2pCNARISzxHaJQPXYhc0G5saU2RXeclo+WNp+ ukMc3zRPf5X68STZrZBDFgONIZ13iDgBTfVeKcIoo10UlfcOdzs0wN1BNfmu2ud1JmNPF8fTOYqdq iwJvR6jXbuzN3Rmw1AvDEKiIQ/ptRjh3JaK6x1BveQzDtaEPJJKyQtOwzofZt65LbbBvEgGf0YGhs 3Oqqky3kYKzBu+L+g5N+Pw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q3c86-0003aV-HP; Mon, 29 May 2023 08:37:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Leo Liu on Mon, 29 May 2023 11:49:27 +0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:262572 Archived-At: > From: Leo Liu > Date: Mon, 29 May 2023 11:49:27 +0800 > > If we put all these details behind and look from the users' perspective, > I wonder if there is a chance for Emacs 28. It doesn't look like there will be another Emacs 28.x release. And, given the change to the code, I don't think this is appropriate for Emacs 29.1, either. It's too late for such changes on the release branch. > Basically this feature has been there and working since at least Emacs > 24 (or even earlier). It may be an accident which I only discovered last > week though the bug has been annoying me for a few months since I > upgraded from Emacs 27. For users this is a regression and it's bad. If it's a bad regression, why didn't we hear about it until now? Emacs 28.1 was released more than a year ago, and was in pretest for several months before that. My guess would be that this accidental "feature" is not used frequently enough to be a bad regression. And I don't object to extending Dired in this way, I just don't think we should do that in Emacs 29. There are enough real bad problems and regressions that block its release, and I'm not thrilled adding another non-trivial change so late. Sorry.