From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: bug#65734: [BUG] kill-whole-line on folded subtrees [9.6.8 (release_9.6.8-3-g21171d @ /home/w/usr/emacs/0/29/0/lisp/org/)] Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:39:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83o7dtm9bd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il8pao4l.fsf@whxvd.name> <87tts8vrpb.fsf@localhost> <83cyyw4of7.fsf@gnu.org> <875y4ovct9.fsf@localhost> <875y04yq9s.fsf@localhost> <875y02y0da.fsf@localhost> <87frz6w2zt.fsf@localhost> <83cyu9nyea.fsf@gnu.org> <87sf35pcds.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28141"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@posteo.net, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 17:41:11 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbdf-00078T-7u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 17:41:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbdY-0001Rn-AF; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbdX-0001Rf-52 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbdW-0008UP-TX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbdV-0004Gh-I7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65734 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65734-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65734.170490482116348 (code B ref 65734); Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:41:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2024 16:40:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbcq-0004Fb-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:40:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35282) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbco-0004FL-0D for 65734@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNbcj-0007u2-Ce; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:40:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=t0+YVmcICd+6DmTQPLJcWVGUG1uGbaKjyDJAbyEbNSM=; b=YtYHfSv5gDTY 6/DrGfr50dxGAVisZhKYFwiUSId7AQGtk37zdGLdI+KyCN6S2lG1hppmKoAgNzv4QQyPo7xeieHce vmukzpxBpegelQNa4mVbsYTCyUjQhnA+r84l0M9v4S2ZxUEY8OCaHEv5rAgFJiLJcBthlWQs7t/Ki p6kRY5ShRj/29RDCJLihAdlUh9px7+0XaPttr6vand8TMQjz5Y0WvQ2IdJA2hRSoVS/oKCX5TGUtU GNu72dwn8jMEwISp0HJOWPnRzd8gK0QlhRyNZvaeMTnyoBwT7dkBoCdjUMC5521Bpr0PBHYTdWUen 8+k/2V/Ry9CzcHMoW2ZTZg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:26:08 -0500) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:277777 gmane.emacs.orgmode:158973 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, > 65734@debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, iota@whxvd.name > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:26:08 -0500 > > >> I said that remapping widely-used keys to commands that behave > >> significantly differently places a non-trivial burden on users, > >> especially on those who use the remapping mode relatively rarely. > > > > Sure. From which I concluded that Org mode should avoid remapping > > I don't think that's what it means. It means that it depends on what is > the end-user-visible effect. If the remapped version of the command > "does the same" conceptually, then it's OK (even more so if the > non-remapped version of the command ends up misbehaving). Yes.