From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#3035: 23.0.92; doc, terminology for graphics, display, terminal, etc. Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:47:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83myaei6h4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <001201c9bf7c$14221e40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <83tz4mig8z.fsf@gnu.org> <002301c9bffa$93ba5040$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 3035@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240052722 9451 80.91.229.12 (18 Apr 2009 11:05:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 3035@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 13:06:41 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Lv8NF-0005rX-Kp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:06:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56148 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lv8Lq-0005lj-RB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:04:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lv8L4-0005W0-20 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Lv8Ky-0005VJ-I5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39083 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Lv8Ky-0005VG-F0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:03:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:55774) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lv8Kw-0003RN-Ul for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:03:55 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3IB3poR020523; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:03:52 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n3IAt47b017954; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:55:04 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 3035 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 3035-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B3035.124005167016391 (code B ref 3035); Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:55:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 3035) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Apr 2009 10:47:50 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il (mtaout5.012.net.il [84.95.2.13]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n3IAlkwC016383 for <3035@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:47:48 -0700 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KIA00J00LMR6N00@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for 3035@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:47:20 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.144.191]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KIA002W4LYUL9H0@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 13:47:19 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <002301c9bffa$93ba5040$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 07:04:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:27311 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:52:08 -0700 > > > > 2. In the Elisp manual, I see the use of terms such as "graphical > > > terminal", "graphicical display" (also "graphics display"), > > > "(non-)graphics-capable display", "text terminals" (opposed to > > > graphical), "graphic characters", and "graphical > > > attributes", without any real explanation or definition. > > > > From the node "Frames", near the beginning: > > > > There are two classes of terminals: text-only terminals and > > graphical terminals. Text-only terminals are non-graphics-capable > > display devices, including "terminal emulators" such as xterm. On > > text-only terminals, each frame occupies the entire > > terminal screen; > > although you can create additional frames and switch > > between them, only > > one frame can be shown at any given time. We refer to frames on > > text-only terminals as "terminal frames". Graphical > > terminals, on the > > other hand, are graphics-capable windowing systems, such as the X > > Window System. On a graphical terminal, Emacs can > > display multiple > > frames simultaneously. We refer to such frames as > > "window frames". > > > > If this is not good enough, please tell what is missing. > > Yes, that helps wrt "graphical terminal" and "text terminal" (but not with the > rest). But that's what your Item 2 (above) was all about: the distinction between text and graphical terminals. What else is needed? > (BTW, in my version, it says "On these "multi-monitor" setups, a single DISPLAY > value controls the output to all the physical monitors.") My citation was from today's CVS. > BTW, I see in passing this, in node Multiple Displays: "_the_ selected frame". > Is it normal that those underscores are shown as such? That's how emphasis is shown in Info. In print, it comes out in slanted typeface. > > They are not. Each one should be explained in its own place, and the > > more important ones, although certainly not all, are in the Glossary > > node. > > I see. That's good. > > How do I get to the Glossary node? I tried `g Glossary' and got no match. I > tried `C-h m' and `?' and looked for "Glossary" in the Info mode help and > summary, but didn't find it in either. Sorry, I mean the Glossary in the Emacs manual, not in ELisp.