From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1077: 23.0.60; x-create-frame: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: <83mxoq8ynm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <003e01c9257c$a385d800$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <009701c9263f$9cce7120$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <000001c94cc1$e10e9c40$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <8F1F8998D60341099C4204B7BDD8AD4F@us.oracle.com> <96BC00F728B94AC18A15EA95B66C5248@us.oracle.com> <83zksv5g7j.fsf@gnu.org> <0A475933984F4CDA855D91C8B7639E3B@us.oracle.com> <83fwum5xzk.fsf@gnu.org> <9F24875655894485A414CD785D95725B@us.oracle.com> <83ipzh9qze.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF386C9.5070909@gmx.at> <8362vg9ctt.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF409A3.1030906@gmx.at> <83y68b96c5.fsf@gnu.org> <71C125BECEDF4C5E9F703E5743F76893@us.oracle.com> <83r5e38nhg.fsf@gnu.org> <4CF4AE39.4050007@gmx.at> <4CF503A5.3030404@gmx.at> <820DF2B77AA64BEA96FCB4091B38D281@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291193499 28311 80.91.229.12 (1 Dec 2010 08:51:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 08:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 1077@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 01 09:51:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNiPU-0001dY-I9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:51:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49873 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNiPT-0006Bm-P3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:51:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45283 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNdwg-0007Fr-5Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:05:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNVCJ-00006g-QA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:45:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNVCJ-00006T-OW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:45:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNUgM-0001aR-8y; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:12:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1077 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 1077-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1077.12911406806052 (code B ref 1077); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1077) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Nov 2010 18:11:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNUfe-0001ZZ-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:11:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNUfc-0001ZK-RX for 1077@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:11:17 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LCP00400MQYA300@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 1077@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:16:46 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.63.39]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LCP0036CMRXDO70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:16:46 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <820DF2B77AA64BEA96FCB4091B38D281@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:12:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42040 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <1077@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:56:55 -0800 > > > > But if not entry for `menu-bar-lines' exists, calling > > > (frame-parameter ... 'menu-bar-lines) returns nil. > > > > That's not guaranteed to be true. You will see in the implementation > > of frame-parameter and frame-parameters that we return values for some > > frame parameters without ever looking at the frame's parameter alist. > > It's true that frame-parameter actually does look in frame's parameter > > alist when the value of menu-bar-lines is requested, but > > frame-parameters does not, at least for TTYs. > > My impression (I don't have references to prove it) is that this general rule > _has_ worked, and it has only recently (in the last few years) been broken. Perhaps for a couple of frame parameters that was changed recently. However, the general fact that _some_ frame parameters are returned without ever consulting the frame's parameter alist -- this fact is true for as long as I can remember. > I'm not aware that there ever was a _frame parameter_ named `menu-bar-mode'. > Certainly there is none mentioned in the Emacs 20 Elisp manual. There is a > `menu-bar-mode' _command_ (and mode). Every mode (well, almost every one) has a variable by that same name. Try "C-h v menu-bar-mode RET". I'm sure you already knew that.