From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13546: 24.2.92; Error(s) when sending emails Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:20:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83mwumvpmo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86ehh9mx93.fsf@somewhere.org> <86k3q9l8pt.fsf@somewhere.org> <86fw0x8fos.fsf@somewhere.org> <86mwv56tid.fsf@somewhere.org> <83a9r2rdze.fsf@gnu.org> <861uc4gk5z.fsf@somewhere.org> <86wqtu3v3x.fsf@somewhere.org> <86wqtt5vz6.fsf@somewhere.org> <868v69a1pf.fsf@somewhere.org> <83k3ptvy1c.fsf@gnu.org> <837glswhgf.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5e7s6fu.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k3prs0mg.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83y5e7ushu.fsf@gnu.org> <87fw0esyb8.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1362169596 16529 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2013 20:26:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 20:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 13546@debbugs.gnu.org, wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 01 21:26:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWXh-0001lm-6V for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:26:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWXM-0005U1-34 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:26:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55632) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWXI-0005Tw-Hy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:26:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWXH-0004SA-7Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:26:32 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53148) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWRv-00031h-C9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:20:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWTu-0003MX-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:23:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13546 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13546-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13546.136216935012878 (code B ref 13546); Fri, 01 Mar 2013 20:23:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13546) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2013 20:22:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWTM-0003Le-M6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:22:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:42547) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UBWTJ-0003LU-CC for 13546@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 15:22:26 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MJ0006000A66B00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13546@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:20:20 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MJ0006KM0HV2D30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 22:20:20 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87fw0esyb8.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:71999 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Cc: 13546@debbugs.gnu.org, wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com > Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:40:59 -0500 > > On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 16:03:41 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Ted Zlatanov > >> Cc: 13546@debbugs.gnu.org, wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com > >> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:36:23 -0500 > >> > >> I didn't see this suggested: can you try from another platform besides W32? > > EZ> Unless you are thinking about a bug in GnuTLS, I don't see how this > EZ> could help. The problem is quite clearly in the infrastructure used > EZ> in the w32 build of Emacs. Any other platform will not have any > EZ> comparable infrastructure, as they all use system-provided facilities > EZ> like signals and pty's. > > I'd like to know that there's a working Emacs and a broken one, so we > can do some differential analysis. The symptoms we saw up till now (see the discussions) all so overwhelmingly point towards the w32-specific code that deals with subprocesses and network connections that it is hard to believe comparison with any other platform will be of any benefit whatsoever. In any case, we already have a working Emacs (24.2.91) and a broken one (24.2.92 and 24.2.93), so if you want to compare them, please do. > Right now we're crossing our fingers that the latest pretest works. _I_ am crossing fingers. Because I see no changes between 24.2.91 and the current emacs-24 branch that are specific to w32 and touch the relevant areas of Emacs. If the current release branch is still buggy, I simply don't know what else could be the reason, and will advise Glenn to proceed with the release candidate, this problem notwithstanding. > Also, if we can determine definitely that the problem only affects W32 > as we have supposed so far, it makes the debugging easier and the > problem less of a release blocker. No one else reported anything similar, not on Windows, not elsewhere. > I brought up GnuTLS because it's involved in some of Sebastian's setup, > and it has special glue in Emacs for W32. As with my other suggestions, > I'm just trying to do some differential analysis to see if there's some > kind of bisection that will reduce the set of possible causes. But I > agree with you that it's an unlikely cause... so I'll be quiet now :) No need to be quiet. Any comments or thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.