From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20322: 25.0.50; indent-tabs-mode should default to nil Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 23:06:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83mvuww1q2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <861tjn3069.fsf@yandex.ru> <552D20B6.8030005@yandex.ru> <83mw2abul3.fsf@gnu.org> <552D34BC.4090806@yandex.ru> <83h9sibt0q.fsf@gnu.org> <552D7796.2090109@yandex.ru> <552D9204.3000604@yandex.ru> <552DC816.3030002@yandex.ru> <553513B4.6040509@yandex.ru> <55357918.7030808@yandex.ru> <5536A423.7020808@yandex.ru> <5537B742.3050600@yandex.ru> <5637A90F.2000508@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1446498443 16937 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2015 21:07:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, 20322@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 02 22:07:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJr-0002Zp-1D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 22:07:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44277 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJq-0006ty-Ca for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:07:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53590) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJm-0006sK-CF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJi-0001ra-62 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:07:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJi-0001rR-3T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMJh-0001Qz-Rc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:07:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20322 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20322-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20322.14464983655400 (code B ref 20322); Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20322) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2015 21:06:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50009 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMIn-0001P2-9m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:06:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:58288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMIk-0001Og-Si for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 16:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NX700C00H5ZDS00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 20322@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 23:06:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NX700CTUH9ZD010@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 23:06:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:108321 Archived-At: > From: "John Wiegley" > Cc: Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, 20322@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 15:37:49 -0500 > > >>>>> Dmitry Gutov writes: > > > On 04/22/2015 05:59 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > >> The users who most benefit from better defaults are of course the ones we > >> don't have yet. They won't give thanks for this, but that doesn't mean it's > >> not valuable. > > > Here's another confused user: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/3r8ec2/my_indentation_in_js2mode_is_messed_up_need_some/ > > I would also like to see this be `nil' by default. Eli, Stefan, Richard, do > you see a reason not to? We should poll the users, if we want to revert this very old default. (I will be against ;-)